It's funny how SSU is so concerned about the sovereign borders of Ukraine, but cares nothing for the sovereign borders and sovereignty of Niger...or any other countries sovereignty the US has violated
— Jack Rogozhin
Because the US didn't attack Niger. Or it hasn't annexed parts of Niger. — ssu
It asked and was given permission and then building the base in 2016 for Nigerien armed forces too. NIger then was feeling the pressure from islamists from Mali and Boko Haram from Nigeria. — ssu
Again the obsession of puppets.It asked and was given permission by their puppet ruler. — Jack Rogozhin
Like what a failure the war on Terror has been? How bad it has gone?you've spouted such naive NATO/American jingoism — Jack Rogozhin
It asked and was given permission by their puppet ruler.
— Jack Rogozhin
Again the obsession of puppets. — ssu
Yes, these counties TRY to influence states, yet the actions are limited. They can influence only so much what events happen. Yet when fixated on the colonialists, domestic poltics and internal problems don't matter. — ssu
you've spouted such naive NATO/American jingoism
— Jack Rogozhin
Like what a failure the war on Terror has been? How bad it has gone?
Right, thta's American jingoism. Likely you don't care to read what I actually say. But see puppets everywhere. — ssu
However, if you can show me where I have been impugning motived and intentions instead of arguing the facts, I would gladly correct that — Jack Rogozhin
This is an outright lie. — Jack Rogozhin
However, if you can show me where I have been impugning motived and intentions instead of arguing the facts, I would gladly correct that
— Jack Rogozhin
This is the worst of the bunch.
This is an outright lie.
— Jack Rogozhin — T Clark
1. And Afghanistan is an Islamic Emirate today.You literally said American only TRIES to influence states and the actions are limited. Tell that to Afghanistan, Syria, Libya — Jack Rogozhin
Western countries, just like the ECOWAS, condemn military overthrows. Condemnation and sanctions are one thing. A military intervention or military action is quite different. We haven't yet seen what will happen in Niger, yet in the example of Mali, they just left. Yet there is the threat that this could get out of hand.Nuland even made implicit threats against Niger if they didn't turn the government back over to the deposed ruler....that is absolutely disregard and violation of sovereignty. — Jack Rogozhin
Here is a perfect example of your totally ignorant attitude about the reality on the ground. Or then you simply paint with such broad strokes your World that it doesn't make much sense (other than US bad, those who oppose the US are good).The US is doing the same thing in Syria where they have multiple unwanted bases and soldiers where they steal Syria's oil — Jack Rogozhin
You literally said American only TRIES to influence states and the actions are limited. Tell that to Afghanistan, Syria, Libya
— Jack Rogozhin
1. And Afghanistan is an Islamic Emirate today. — ssu
2. Syria is still being lead by Bashar al-Assad with basically the civil war now won by him and neighboring states starting to normalize their relations. — ssu
3. Yes, Libya is a mess...and there's a multitude of countries involved. Basically so-called allies of the US are on different sides supporting different groups. — ssu
So look yourself at how that influencing has gone. I will remain with my words: the US TRIES TO influence states, it doesn't control them and they aren't the helpless victims as you think they are in the face of your country. Clearly the World doesn't go the way people in Washington DC want it to go. — ssu
Nuland even made implicit threats against Niger if they didn't turn the government back over to the deposed ruler....that is absolutely disregard and violation of sovereignty.
— Jack Rogozhin
Western countries, just like the ECOWAS, condemn military overthrows. Condemnation and sanctions are one thing. A military intervention or military action is quite different. We haven't yet seen what will happen in Niger, yet in the example of Mali, they just left. — ssu
The US is doing the same thing in Syria where they have multiple unwanted bases and soldiers where they steal Syria's oil
— Jack Rogozhin
Here is a perfect example of your totally ignorant attitude about the reality on the ground. Or then you simply paint with such broad strokes your World that it doesn't make much sense (other than US bad, those who oppose the US are good). — ssu
The US isn't doing the "same thing" in the countries of Sahel as it has done with Syria. With Syria Obama tried to start a war against the regime, but didn't get any of it's allies with it and backed down (Obama's famous line in the sand). — ssu
And the US had an absolute fiasco of trying to form a "politically correct" opposition fighters to fight the Syrian regime, which basically feared more about the fighters themselves being islamists or that the weapons would go to islamists. — ssu
Yet the US hasn't attacked Nigerien forces. It has trained these forces, and these generals, that now took over. But for you such difference seem not to matter. You know the facts and others are just American jingoists. — ssu
Lol :lol:You clearly dont' care about national sovereignty or sovereign borders. — Jack Rogozhin
And again, Crimea was never part of Ukraine proper but part of it when it was a territory for 40 years, after being part of Russia for hundreds. Even if there is a rule about borders, it wouldn't quite apply here.
Russia rightly doesn't consider Crimea taken land. It had been Russian territory for centuries until Ukrainian Kruschev gave it to Ukraine in a narcissistic, ceremonial move not anticipating the Soviet Union's breakup...Kruschev wasn't a brainiac.
Obviously you don't seem to read what I write, but simply attack something you intend me being.This is hilarious. The US has pushed--often very successfully--coups in Cuba, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Chile, Venezuela, Syria, Ukraine, Australia, and many other countries...just this year in Pakistan. Where do you get your world history from? — Jack Rogozhin
Again a strawman as I've never said that. Or thought. I was on the previous Philosophy Forum site arguing with Americans defending President Bush's decision to invade Iraq as a wrongful move.Your arguments make it clear you think America has the right to violate that sovereignty as they have done for almost a century — Jack Rogozhin
Well, if that is the worst of the bunch, i've been far more courteous than some of my interlocutors who have accused me of being a Putin puppet... — Jack Rogozhin
Bit of a contrast in terms of Russia here:
Niger coup (reports from Jul 31, 2023): CNN, Forbes (Russian flags)
Georgian protests (reports from Aug 1, 2023): BBC, Business Insider (simmering Kremlin-hate)
Maybe they should get together? :D
Anyway, while going over all this...stuff, I sure hope Putin hasn't had more warring in mind all along. — Aug 2, 2023
Question: Could you please comment on the events in Niger?
Sergey Lavrov: The Foreign Ministry of Russia has already commented on the attempted coup (as I understand, everything is still in motion there) in Niger. We believe the coup is an anti-constitutional act. We always occupy a clear position in such cases.
(Vanguard) French President Emmanuel Macroh has boasted that without France’s military operations in the Sahel region, “there would probably no longer be a Mali…Burkina Faso, and I’m not sure there would still be Niger.”
Macron told the French publication Le Point while referring to the former colonial power’s interventions in the mid-2000s, Operations Serval and Barkhane.
More widely in Africa, MTAC has identified six basic elements to Russia’s African coup playbook:
Establishing long-term influence campaigns – Russia and its messengers in Africa produce a constant drip of content that is both anti-French and pro-Russian, concentrating on polarizing issues. and driven by colonial-era grievances.
Aligning with the putschists – When a coup occurs, Russia’s messengers quickly declare support for the putschists, often through proxies, including previous instances where the voice was the now-deceased Yevgeny Prigozhin.
Seizing control of the narrative – In the days after a coup, Russian messengers align on prepositioned narratives, capitalizing on the information void. Post-coup messaging typically glorifies military and coup leaders and championing national sovereignty while denigrating France.
Amplifying affiliates – Given their long-term investments in Africa-based, pro-Russian propagandists and IO networks, Russia can call upon a range of figures, both overt and covert, to loudly amplify their messaging, thereby crowding out competing narratives and creating the impression of popular agreement.
Mobilizing supporters – Pro-coup demonstrations featuring Russian flags give the impression of widespread support for both the putsch and partnership with Russia while opposition to the coup is violently repressed, chilling dissent.
Banning dissenting media – In Mali, Burkina Faso, and Niger, coup leaders have quickly identified Radio France International and France 24 as critical press and then suspended them, silencing the largest French-language sources of credible news from the West.
(VoaNews, 1st Dec 2023) YAOUNDE, CAMEROON —
Chad's opposition and civil society groups are asking France to immediately withdraw troops who arrived in Chad after being ordered to depart neighboring Niger by that country’s military junta.
Ordjei Abderahim Chaha, president of the opposition party Rally for Justice and Equality, said Thursday that military ruler Mahamat Idriss Deby has failed to heed calls to ask French troops to leave.
Speaking at a news conference in the capital, N’Djamena, Chaha said he believes Deby wants French troops to keep Chad's military junta in power by intimidating or cracking down on civilians who are ready to protest should Deby fail to hand power to civilian rule by November 2024 as agreed.
Opposition and civil society groups have asked Deby to ensure some 1,000 French troops already stationed in Chad — plus those who have arrived from Niger — leave the central African state no later than December 28, Chaha said.
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