My obsessions, such as they are that concern TPF, are people like you who argue from ignorance and stupidity, without apparent regard for truth or reason, but in service of some agenda having nothing to do with truth or reason.You seemed to be pretty obsessed with them. — javi2541997
No, mate. My arguments are not childish, but your continuous dislike towards Russia. This discussion, started by EricH, was focused mainly on the Northern Ireland conflict. — javi2541997
You value free speech. You realize, yes? that if you wrote that in Russia you would be detained and questioned and possibly jailed, if not sent to the front. Are you saying, then, that it is a war? — tim wood
My obsessions, such as they are that concern TPF, are people like you who argue from ignorance and stupidity, without apparent regard for truth or reason, but in service of some agenda having nothing to do with truth or reason. — tim wood
Now just for the heck of it, are the Russians waging war in Ukraine, yes or no? What do you say? — tim wood
Instead it was an attempt to see if there are any universal principals that can provide a basis for resolving these differences short of violence or threat of violence. — EricH
If you think I am such a fool, why do you want to argue with me constantly?
↪tim wood
Now just for the heck of it, are the Russians waging war in Ukraine, yes or no? What do you say?
— tim wood
Yes, they do. — javi2541997
So, there's a war. Who started it? — tim wood
The conflict itself is part of one's identity for many. That's the problem.On the other hand, since when police officers - or public workers in overall - have been covered by the government? It will be a difficult situation, but with some differences, because the new generations of N. Ireland haven't been raised at the core of the conflict. They are the sons and daughters of the 1998 Belfast agreement. I don't think they would be as violent as their parents or grandparents. — javi2541997
The real question underlying yours is if there are any means by which people or nations can be compelled to act against their wishes short of violence. — tim wood
I disagree; that is the question.(the manner of enforcement is irrelevant to the question). — EricH
Kant's categorical imperative is a good place to start.If you had such power, can you conceive of a set of laws/rules/philosophical positions that would govern how these issues are decided (some details please)? — EricH
All this calls for, and depends upon, definitions. I've italicized the words I think require definition. And as well what construction or meanings should be applied once definitions established.But let's say for the sake of discussion that the historical data overwhelmingly says that what we've been calling country X in reality has always been a part of country Y. — EricH
Here's a good present documentary about North Ireland. Even if it can be said it's pro-Republican and views that Brexit gives hope for unification, never underestimate the youth: — ssu
Perhaps to me and you it would be equivalent of that the Civil Wars our grandparents endured never went away: that your cities would be separated by walls where on one side would live the Republicans and on the other side the Nationalists, and in my country the division would be between the Reds and the Whites. There would be gangs around who would say that they are either fighting for the Republican and Nationalist cause and I would have here gangs of the Reds and the Whites. And there would be murals everywhere remembering the fallen and these two societies would go to different schools. That would really, really suck. But so it does in Northern Ireland. In that kind of environment, it's difficult to put the past away, because the past is upheld and cherished as part of your identity who you are. — ssu
Is there any legal / moral framework that can be used to resolve these issues in an impartial manner? Or put differently - what are the rules for determining the rightful owner of said property?
Having an enforcement mechanism is a related but separate issue. — EricH
A morally sound solution would involve a substantial redistribution of land and wealth, but even if that happened, what natives lost is too profound to be 'fixed'. — BC
I do not have an answer. — EricH
Yet before this it had already attacked Ukraine and annexed territory and fought a war against Ukraine. Whenever the proxy fighters were losing, Russian army intervened. Well before the 2022 invasion.As I said - and at least this has been proved - Russia warned the Western world that approaching that much to their territory would be a red flag. Then, NATO and Ukraine - other parts implacated too - didnt care. — javi2541997
Hence sovereignty and recognition of this sovereignty are simply the political and legal foundations of owning land. — ssu
No, no no! It doesn't go like that.The Western world does not want to recognise the sovereignty of Russia in those 'disputed' lands because they do not respect the Russian constitution when — javi2541997
Who owns the Crimean Peninsula? This map shows how the land was always part of Russian sovereignty. It dates from 1938, and it is not really old. — javi2541997
Why should the 1938 demographics be the deciding factor? If we want things to be resolved in a fair & just manner, then at a minimum shouldn't we go back to the Crimean Khanate? — EricH
It has been 319 years under British rule. Yet above all, the treaty of Utrecht signed it to the crown of Great Britain for "perpetuity" in 1714. And that "perpetuity" has kept as Spain has seen it not worthy of a war with the UK about it.The years passed by, and most of the Spaniards no longer care about Gibraltar because we understand it has always been English. — javi2541997
Both Ceuta and Melilla have been around in antiquity. Ceuta was only conquered by Portugal in 1415. Although then I assume it was the Marinid dynasty controlling Morocco. But of course 600 years of control of a city is something. Nearly as long as the Moors controlled southern Spain.On the other hand, Ceuta and Melilla were never part of Morocco, but Portugal. — javi2541997
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