The same input continues to match the output and poof, you have a yardstick, or whatever. The act of measurement is the act of validating causality. Reality/truth just keeps acting the same way every time we check it. It is that which we can be most certain of. — Kaiser Basileus
The common core of all versions of religion is dogma, — Kaiser Basileus
I trust that the system is based on measurements that replicate because things keep working, which they wouldn't of the measurements used to create them were arbitrary. — Kaiser Basileus
In practise, most times when a people start a sentence with 'religion is...' what usually follows is a regurtitation of their inherited prejudices. Kind of an 'anti-dogma'. — Wayfarer
I’ll ask you the same question that I asked the thread starter (and they ignored). Do you know of anyone who religion has provided deliverance from sin and its consequences? — praxis
'Religion" is not a strictly definitive term, but an "umbrella" term under which what are generally soteriological practices and / or beliefs can be understood to be ranged. — Janus
Do you know of anyone who religion has provided deliverance from sin and its consequences? — praxis
I'm assuming this only applies to Christian traditions. I don't know what 'deliverance from sin' means except as a tentative goal of the pious, subject to certain traditions and certain definitions of sin. The only person who knows if this is successful is the individual believer, I guess. — Tom Storm
Deliverance from sin and its consequences. I think the consequences of sin is basically suffering and that’s not unique to any tradition. — praxis
Clearly the need being fulfilled is not salvation so religion must be fulfilling other needs.. — praxis
I believe that this bishop’s literal interpretation of the “fall from perfection” is inappropriate and theologically inaccurate. My personal understanding (I didn’t think of this myself, just what I believe) of the “fall from perfection” is more like an awakening from unconscious to conscious. — ButyDude
However, even with most scientists being atheists, believing in God is rational and there are scientific arguments for God. I wish for you to respond. — ButyDude
...We... — ButyDude
I am not aware of scientific arguments for gods. But I am aware of people using gaps in science to assert gods. — Tom Storm
Funny how apologists run away to metaphor at the first sign of critique. "I didn't mean it..."...again, not a literal interpretation. The meanings are symbolic. — ButyDude
I'm guessing you won't want to fill these out, and if we were to critique them, you'd say they also were "metaphor".Fine Tuning, Cosmic Cause and Effect, etc. It’s a quick Google search — ButyDude
the constants of physics, such as g, k, G, and many more, are so precise that if they were any different the universe would not be physically possible. — ButyDude
That's just not accepted, as Hawking showed, for example in "The boundary conditions of the universe". But also there are good reasons not to accept that every event must have a cause.the Big Bang, must have been caused by something outside of the universe. — ButyDude
Can you prove that everything in the universe has a cause? — Banno
That's just not accepted, as Hawking showed, for example in "The boundary conditions of the universe". — Banno
Finish the argument. — Banno
-Einstein — Isaiasb
Albert Einstein's religious views have been widely studied and often misunderstood. Albert Einstein stated "I believe in Spinoza's God". He did not believe in a personal God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings, a view which he described as naïve. He clarified however that, "I am not an atheist", preferring to call himself an agnostic, or a "religious nonbeliever." In other interviews, he has stated that he thinks there is a "lawgiver" who sets the laws of the universe. Einstein also stated he did not believe in life after death, adding "one life is enough for me." He was closely involved in his lifetime with several humanist groups. — Religious and philosophical views of Albert Einstein
Fine Tuning argument - the constants of physics, such as g, k, G, and many more, are so precise that if they were any different the universe would not be physically possible. There is simply no explanation for this. Infinite universes and bounce-back universe are disproven. — ButyDude
Do you have an argument for religion and science being incompatible? What is your stance? — ButyDude
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