This is to say, if the destruction of Gaza is necessary for the protection of Israel, then it would be unethical for Israel not to destroy Gaza. — Hanover
Ethnic cleansing and genocide seem to be the stated or implicit goal of both. Only Israel has the means to really follow through on that though. — Baden
Ethnic cleansing and genocide seem to be the stated or implicit goal of both. Only Israel has the means to really follow through on that though. — Baden
Uhhh... just how many have been killed in Ukraine compared to this little fight? And there are over 6 million refugees from Ukraine now all over the World. That's multiple times the population in Gaza. And how do the deaths compare? In the war in Ukraine 200 000 soldiers in all have perished in the war and perhaps 40 000 Ukrainian civilians have been killed. And the actual figures can be even higher, actually.Also the humanitarian situation wasn't as dire as in Gaza. — Tzeentch
Of course. Yet if we look at WW2 anything that would resemble the current situation, the Warsaw Uprising is most similar.According to my reading it was more complex than that, but my point was that this is less like WW2 and more like 9-11. — frank
Do what they must, but the honorable thing to do would be to fight street by street without heavy weapons and avoid deaths and injuries. Can the best trained army in the world do this, or are they not interested any more?
Uhhh... just how many have been killed in Ukraine compared to this little fight? And there are over 6 million refugees from Ukraine now all over the World. That's multiple times the population in Gaza. And how do the deaths compare? In the war in Ukraine 200 000 soldiers in all have perished in the war and perhaps 40 000 Ukrainian civilians have been killed. And the actual figures can be even higher, actually.
So please do notice the huge differences in scale. — ssu
There have barely been any diplomatic conversations between Washington and players in the Middle-East - something that would be unheard of 20 years ago.
understand your need to vent but wiping out cities of millions of people, the vast majority of whom are civilians, could never be justified unless they posed a similar level of immediate existential threat, as might be the case in a nuclear war etc. — Baden
Now, does this include Gaza and the West Bank? — FreeEmotion
According to your own premise, Russia is legitimate to occupy Crimea, Donbas and Donetsk, right? — javi2541997
Ok, so you're making a claim about Israel's annexations of Gaza and the West Bank in 1967 - places that belonged to Egypt and Jordan respectively at the time, and where there lived (and still live) primarily Palestinians.
What makes this annexation by Israel during the Six-Day War legitimate in your eyes? — Tzeentch
And vice versa? — unenlightened
Clearly "legitimate possession" is not the end of the question. — Echarmion
I get those from the sidelines think they have a gentler way to secure Israel's security, but others disagree. — Hanover
If you believe Israel isn't occupying foreign territories in Gaza and the West Bank, then what exactly do you believe Israel is doing there? — Tzeentch
Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian prime minister, who was also part of the delegation at Sharm el-Sheikh, told the BBC programme that Mr Bush had said: "I have a moral and religious obligation. I must get you a Palestinian state. And I will." — Ewen MacAskill · The Guardian · Oct 7, 2005
What have we done to them? Look at the destroyed houses. Nobody has warned us. We are civilians. What have we done to them? — Hassan Zidane (Store Owner, Gaza)
We reject the practices of killing civilians or abusing them on both sides because they contravene morals, religion and international law. — Mahmoud Abbas · Ali Sawafta, James Mackenzie, Mark Heinrich, Jonathan Oatis · Wafa via Reuters · Oct 12, 2023
it really a threat? Who cares? — frank
If you believe Israel isn't occupying foreign territories in Gaza and the West Bank, then what exactly do you believe Israel is doing there? — Tzeentch
They're invading it after being attacked. — Hanover
The Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem and Gaza, and the occupied Syrian Golan are currently under belligerent occupation by Israel, to which international humanitarian law applies concurrently with international human rights law.
Exactly. To argue that Israel hasn't a claim on the West Bank or Gaza is hypocrisy and basically false.I believe it is and was an occupation, and relevant rulings on this case seem to agree. — Tzeentch
(2020) in a television address after US President Donald Trump’s announcement of the [UAE] deal, Netanyahu said he had only agreed to “delay” the annexation, and that he would “never give up our rights to our land”.
“There is no change to my plan to extend sovereignty, our sovereignty in Judea and Samaria, in full coordination with the United States,” Netanyahu said in Jerusalem, using the biblical name for the occupied West Bank.[/qoute]
I get those from the sidelines think they have a gentler way to secure Israel's security, but others disagree. — Hanover
Israel isn't at war over a claim by Israel that Gaza and the West Bank belong to Israel. Israelis presence in Gaza is part of a military operation. I don't think Israel has any interest in occupying and policing Gaza every day. — Hanover
No, but it's the first question. If the Mexican government continuously lobbed bombs into El Paso and raped and butchered its citizens, it wouldn't be shocking if the US took over a chunk of Mexico. That justification comes from no one remotely questioning the US's right to its land. — Hanover
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