I'm not jeering. I was thinking about being in one of those hospitals realizing the Israelis could supply fuel for the generators and knowing they won't do it because they want all the patients to die.
You answered me like I was just doing a liberal butt-post. — frank
we are not "jeering from the sidelines" but expressing sane moral arguments that can only be made from the sidelines. — Baden
I'm not sure what this is referring to. I followed the links but didn't find a clear explanation of what you mean by this. — Tzeentch
You sort of got it with your brief and last mention there (of the real issue) which is they don’t want to deal with their Hamas anymore than Israel. — schopenhauer1
and of course the very last thing Netanyahu wants is a reasonable Hamas
that's a disaster for Israel because the moment Hamas starts to behave reasonably then
the pressure begins to be exerted on Israel well they're being reasonable why
don't you negotiate and end the conflict which is the one thing Israel doesn't
want not that it doesn't want to end the conflict it doesn't want to end the
occupation that's the problem and it needs an irrational
it needs a quote-unquote extremist Hamas in order to justify its gradual
absorption its incremental annexation of the occupied Palestinian territories
Israel has actually evicted settlers. From Gaza and from Sinai too. The following pictures are from settlers in Sinai being evicted in 1982 after the peace agreement with Egypt.Evict Settlers. — 180 Proof
Who you rather have won WW2, the Allies or Axis? It's a really easy question to answer, is it not? — RogueAI
Say what you like about Trump, — Chisholm
In my opinion, when the Israelis point at the Egyptians they are refusing to take responsibility by asking other nations to clean up the disaster that they created. — Tzeentch
But who created whom and is it Israel in a vacuum? — schopenhauer1
A vacuum would be overstating it, but yes, I've seen no indication that Egypt bears responsibility for how the situation in Gaza developed. But maybe you know things I don't. I'm open to hearing another perspective. — Tzeentch
In my opinion, when the Israelis point at the Egyptians they are refusing to take responsibility by asking other nations to clean up the disaster that they created.
Taking in several million traumatized refugees and possibly thousands of Muslim radicals is not something Egypt can be expected to simply take on the chin because Israeli radicals want to be enabled in their fantasy.
What do you believe Egypt should/could have done? — Tzeentch
That Egypt did not want Gaza back, and today refuses to let the conflict spill over into its region, is in my view entirely within its right and I see no reason why the onus would be on them to act when Israel has stubbornly refused to seek workable solutions for 50 years. — Tzeentch
Israel doesn’t occupy it in the sense it doesn’t have settlements nor political rule there. — schopenhauer1
The Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem and Gaza, and the occupied Syrian Golan are currently under belligerent occupation by Israel, to which international humanitarian law applies concurrently with international human rights law.
I agree with you insofar that the other regional players haven't come to the rescue of Gaza either. But that's not their responsibility either. It's Israel's. That's why Israel has a nearly endless list of human rights violations to its name vis-á-vis the Palestinian people - human rights violations as determined by reputable international courts and organisations. — Tzeentch
Yes, Hamas are extremists and I'd put nothing past them. Thankfully, they are not and will never be in that position. — Baden
Do note that while I am very critical of Israel, that doesn't mean that I am not also very critical of Hamas. I'd agree with Baden there. They're terrorists, and people who deliberately target innocent civilians in the way that they did deserve no protection. — Tzeentch
And while we may imagine what atrocities Hamas would commit if they were ever to gain power (which will hopefully never happen), in the case of Israel we need not imagine. Its list of human rights violations is unending. Human rights organisations have termed its treatments of the Palestinians as apartheid - a crime against humanity.
Hamas is being punished for its wrongdoings as we speak, sadly over the backs of innocent civilians. But when will Israel be held accountable? — Tzeentch
What I do know too is that after WW2 and general European colonialism, all of its hopes and dreams for Idealism over Realpolitik is heaped on Israel. Its (Europes) failure in the 20th century to be imbued upon Israel, perhaps as a symbol of what could be, and what they never did. However, the Middle East has never been about some “shining city on a hill” where human rights are more important than nations, territory, resources, and cultural preservation. It’s a vision wide of the reality. And Israel acting in the interests of a nation that was attacked, whatever reasons you want to provide, will act in a way that shows it is doing something about situation. In realist fashion, it will retaliate and declare war on its enemy who attacked them. — schopenhauer1
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