I think the accusations have already been fixed as Arab countries have already accused of Israel of being behind it and the Joe Biden has said he's convinced it was "the others", not Israel. Either party won't officially back down as they will appear weak and undetermined.If there is an official investigation, carried out by an NGO, we may get a definite answer. Or we may soon forget about as more massacres happen in Gaza. It could be that it was a misfire, but, given how many lies they've said before, it's hard to take them at their word. — Manuel
A possibility. Just as a possibility is a rocket too. Yet on the long run, already the rare occasion of there being more Israeli killed than Palestinians has turned to the ordinary situation of there being more Palestinians killed that Israelis.Could it have been a Hellfire? — Tzeentch
- Ehud BarakTo think that you can - as a Zionist, Jewish independent state at the end of the 20th century - rule over another people for generations without having any consequences - it's ridiculous.
Basically Hamas and Likud embrace and support each other. They feed on the emotions of hate, revenge and the belief of a military solution. The grim fact is that war weariness kicks in only after a lot more people have died than now. People like Barak are pushed to the sidelines. — ssu
Just as a possibility is a rocket too. — ssu
If it was a Hellfire it would seem to have malfunction or it was some sort of very low yield variant I am unaware of. — Count Timothy von Icarus
But if it's a weapon functioning as intended, it would have to be some sort of incendiary since it isn't consistent with an air burst explosion. — Count Timothy von Icarus
And I think that the time has passed. Either Hamas or Hezbollah, even both of them on the same time, don't make an existential threat to Israel. Israel has the capability to deal with them. Israel has total air superiority, an a far more capable modern combined arms army. Plus a nuclear deterrence.Indeed but my point earlier is that there was a time when there was a chance to form the two state solution and the “moderates” blew it on the Pals side. — schopenhauer1
The pacifist approach might have worked in a different situation, but especially on the Palestinian side it has been always the militant wing that has dominated the scene. And actually the origins of the Jewish state are similar armed groups.There’s a reason why Ghandi and MLK were effective. Sympathy doesn’t come from violence. It gets muddled from violence. The underdog loses the very thing that makes them sympathetic. Then it’s just pick your grievance. — schopenhauer1
It would have to be a low yield antipersonnel weapon that is somehow mainly an incidiary. There was a large fireball and most of the damage seems to be from fire, which isn't what you'd expect from a high explosive weapon used to target infantry. I don't know if anything like that exists for the Hellfire, but there are old Vietnam era incidiary rockets. — Count Timothy von Icarus
It's the brief time to go to Israel and show the support.On a side note, has anyone noticed Ursula von der Leyen's unmandated visit to Tel Aviv, where she proclaimed unwavering support for Israel amidst its indiscriminate bombing of Gaza? — Tzeentch
And I think that the time has passed. Either Hamas or Hezbollah, even both of them on the same time, don't make an existential threat to Israel. Israel has the capability to deal with them. Israel has total air superiority, an a far more capable modern combined arms army. Plus a nuclear deterrence. — ssu
Why would they need to take any steps towards a real two state solution? Especially when there's already over 600 000 settlers in the West Bank and after the opening of the borders in Eastern Europe, the Jewish migration from there has made them to have a comfortable Jewish majority in Israel. — ssu
The pacifist approach might have worked in a different situation, but especially on the Palestinian side it has been always the militant wing that has dominated the scene. And actually the origins of the Jewish state are similar armed groups.
First and foremost, the origins aren't in political instability inside a country, but in straight forward war as the British simply left their former Mandate. This has lead to the conflict being a continuation of a war, basically. And that's the difference with the Israeli side too: it isn't a police matter, it has always been a military matter fighting the PLO and the Palestinians. In Lebanon the civil war could be ended by the opposing factions going back to negotiations and trying to cooperate in an already existing state. With the Palestinians, the state of Israel is not part of them, but an entity that the opposing side of the conflict has created. Hence there is no Ghandi or MLK figure in Palestine. It would as if there weren't any Civil Rights Movement in the US, but just the Black Panthers. And that the Blacks weren't taken here as slaves, but had existed in the US just like the few Native-Americans now. — ssu
Uh, call in hundreds of thousands of reservists and they just what, sit around and then go back home? And Bibi has already called it a war.I'm still hoping they don't decide to do this. The more I consider it, the less likely it seems like they can remove Hamas this way, — Count Timothy von Icarus
When was it the failure of the moderate Palestinians? Even the moderate Palestinians have wanted for an independent country that, and what they might have accepted would be West Bank and the Gaza. But that independent Palestine in West Bank has been something that Israel has never accepted.Such a weird juxtaposition of the first sentence with the rest of the paragraph. In one fell swoop you admitted, the moderate Pals failed, and then instead of going into that phenomenon, you immediately pivoted to Israel, when the focus was on moderate Pals and their failure. — schopenhauer1
Even the moderate Palestinians have wanted for an independent country that, and what they might have accepted would be West Bank and the Gaza. But that independent Palestine in West Bank has been something that Israel has never accepted. — ssu
But that independent Palestine in West Bank has been something that Israel has never accepted. — ssu
In my view, there was a time when Isreal was willing to cut a deal. Perhaps then Arafat hesitated too much. Yet then that time passed. — ssu
And there is nothing that would push Israel to commit to this anymore. Israel under sanctions? No. Is it really threatened as earlier? Actually, no. It gets enough support that itäs — ssu
So which side you think I'm on?All this is to say, it seems clear you have picked your side which "can never do wrong" and now everything they do is justified or must be Israel's fault. — schopenhauer1
I wouldn't even consider the PLO as "moderates", mind you. They have had their own list of terrorist actions that they have done. And btw they have fought also the Lebanese and the Jordanian Army, so not so "moderate" as you are implying.As long as you ignore that the moderate Pals failed, and this pushed Israeli sentiment towards the idea that if moderates can't make a deal, no deal can be had... Then you will miss the boat and just keep playing the broken record. — schopenhauer1
I think it's more about weakness than strength, actually. Imagine what would happen to a Lebanese government, if it tried to make peace with Israel? Not only would be the Hezbollah against it. Just look at the riots now in Beirut near the US Embassy.Israel in the past had been willing to compromise, but Arab neighbors and then Pals, tended to want all or nothing. — schopenhauer1
I think it's more about weakness than strength, actually. Imagine what would happen to a Lebanese government, if it tried to make peace with Israel. Not only would be the Hezbollah against it. Just look at the riots now in Beirut near the US Embassy. — ssu
The most powerful Arab nation did make it's peace with Israel. It could make this as it has actually shown it wasn't the total loser after the Six Day war, but did put up a limited operation against Israel during the Yom Kippur war. — ssu
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