Fortunately the Jewish religious zealots aren't so deadly towards Christians as the Muslim religious zealots are towards them in many other Middle Eastern countries. And it's now a bit ironic that the ultra-orthodox protested against their military service.Christians have been traditionally well treated in Israel, but sadly there has been an uptick in anti-Christian activity lately. It seems to mostly come from the ultra-orthodox. Very sad, but many Jews are unlikely to be sympathetic due to centuries of Christian anti-Semitism. — BitconnectCarlos
Nothing that Israel has done regarding land justifies that barbarity to people, sorry. That's what you are supporting, and it's sad. — schopenhauer1
Nothing that Israel has done regarding land justifies that barbarity to people, sorry. That's what you are supporting, and it's sad. — schopenhauer1
And it's now a bit ironic that the ultra-orthodox protested against their military service. — ssu
I think we can agree that at some point violence to gain independence is justified. — Benkei
History is replete with examples where violence to gain independence was acceptable. — Benkei
The point being that if the Palestinian cause for independence is justified, every action by Israel against that is already contaminated as something immoral. And if Israel may punish an immoral attack, then it's corollary would hold true in that the Palestinians may punish the perpetrator who caused their oppression and use some (not all!) violence. — Benkei
It was acceptable by some, unacceptable by others. What does “being acceptable” have to do with “justification”? Do you mean that all that is acceptable is justified and/or that all that is justified is acceptable? What if X find acceptable what Y doesn't find acceptable? — neomac
I can't see a single state working at all. Israeli Jews don't want to be governed by Muslims (and I can't blame them), and Palestinian Muslims don't want to be governed by Jews (also can't blame them).
If Israel lets go of their fear of a neighbouring Palestinian state, and Palestinians accept not getting all of Palestine back, then a two state solution becomes possible, but I fear we're a long way away from that. — flannel jesus
Musings: It's clear Hamas' attack was barbaric and should be condemned. However, what level of oppression and colonisation are the Palestinians to accept until armed resistance becomes justified? I think we can agree that at some point violence to gain independence is justified. Historic examples include slave revolts.
people find things acceptable when they are done for just reasons. — Benkei
What could Hamas possibly have expected from this situation but that Israel would respond, taking advantage of its many military advantages, bringing death and misery to Hamas' subjects, destroying Hamas' supplies of weapons, and killing their fairly limited numbers of trained fighters? In what way might this help with furthering Palestinian aims? It seems the attack has given Israel a freer hand to persecute the people of Gaza than they have had in decades vis-á-vis international opinion and internal opinion. That Likud is actually being blamed for the disaster does play to Hamas' aims, but this seems like one of the hardest responses to the attack to predict beforehand. — Count Timothy von Icarus
Especially when these it's these people that then the IDF has to safeguard in the occupied territories.The ultra-orthodox even protest against the existence of the state of Israel, because they believe it is claiming the land that belongs to God.
You can find images of them burning Israeli flags during protests and things like that.
I thought that was very interesting. — Tzeentch
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No. I don't need to repeat the attack by Hamas was unjustified ad nauseum for every internet rando that decides to jump in on the conversation midway. It's tedious. — Benkei
. A deal isn't good for Iran because Israel is a good wedge issue for Iran that helps keep the Gulf-US relation on the rocks and helps them with public support "on the Arab street." — Count Timothy von Icarus
WASHINGTON (AP) — U.S. fighter jets launched airstrikes early Friday on two locations in eastern Syria linked to Iran’s Revolutionary Guard Corps, the Pentagon said, in retaliation for a slew of drone and missile attacks against U.S. bases and personnel in the region that began early last week.
Especially when these it's these people that then the IDF has to safeguard in the occupied territories. — ssu
I disagree. I see a very clear justification for armed resistance. — Benkei
Not really. Shias get on with Sunnis fine in some contexts. — Count Timothy von Icarus
ETA: Reading through the responses, I see you are aware of the atrocities Hamas has done. You just don't care. Or you just don't care when they happen to Jews. — RogueAI
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