Japan's attack was not honourable because there was no just cause - it was naked aggression. At the same time the fire bombings of Japan and the nuclear bombs were clear war crimes as well because all of indiscriminately targeted civilians. — Benkei
Under the paradigm that Israel must be a Jewish state, your flavors are apartheid or ethnic cleansing and genocide. — Tzeentch
Yea. We all see the world through myths, I think. There's the Muslim terrorist myth, which shows up sometimes. The America-bad myth is ever-present. What I do is just try to be slow to judgment so I can detect my own myths and try not to write off what someone says as if it's nothing but myth. Sometimes a person is appealing for a particular fact to be recognized, and it may be important. How do you get to that when there's a cloud of myths in the way? — frank
It's ALL choosing which MYTHS are going to be your INDIGNATION. — schopenhauer1
True. There was once a quiet little village in the middle of nowhere. One day the blacksmith said it had come to him that he owned the moon. Startled by this, the weaver said he'd always thought of the moon as his own property. The villagers began taking sides and war broke out amongst them to finally decide who owned the Great Orb. Now they're all dead. — frank
Frank, it was a tremendous pity to see a lot of people dying because of a nuclear attack. More than 140,000 civilians died in minutes. Nobody deserves to be nuked by another nation, it doesn't matter the context and circumstances at all. I don't know who is 'wrong' here. Me, for defending Bushidō and Hirohito or you for backing up the nuclear attacks. Yet, what is obvious is that it was a human disaster. — javi2541997
Just why is the US so close to Israel isn't explained. — ssu
Wrong.Putin has virtually for his entire time in power attempted to foster close ties with Europe. — Tzeentch
What happened in March/April 2022 with Israel and the Palestinians?I don't think that train left the station until March/April 2022, but now it certainly has and the Russia-China alliance is a fact of life. — Tzeentch
That's true! Darn, forgot about that.Mearsheimer wrote a book together with Stephen Walt, and gave many lectures about the US Israel lobby. — Tzeentch
I do think, and no. They wanted to die and they did not have to. And they made it necessary to kill them. By most estimates, the losses in the two cities were a fraction of potential losses resulting from invasion, a conclusion most Japanese accept.Why no court condemned Truman for letting the American army destroy two cities? A bit of hypocrisy and cynicism. Don't you think, Tim? — javi2541997
Just curious, do you think the inverse is true? As you imply the US has a (insert common trope Israeli lobby), European countries might have an Anti-Israeli bias/lobby? — schopenhauer1
What happened in March/April 2022 with Israel and the Palestinians? — ssu
view the European countries as little more than US vassals. What they do or think is generally irrelevant, — Tzeentch
if you proffer one side or is Europe “objective” and “too meek” for this to be an issue (which I predict to be a response — schopenhauer1
I think popular opinion within Europe is generally more critical of Israel, if that is what you're asking. — Tzeentch
The term 'anti-Israel' would be a misrepresentation, though. — Tzeentch
At 11:54 he again forgets that the US isn't handling satellite states like Stalin did with NATO members and Ukraine or Georgia [...] — ssu
Never mind. We'll do it our own way later. — Stalin
And Western Europe would create it's defense towards Russia without the US — ssu
Without the US, Russia has quite a say in Europe. Finlandization could come back as be trendy.I suppose one could hope anyway (all of Europe preferably). Expensive, though. The (present somewhat Stalin'esque) Kremlin looms large on the horizon. — jorndoe
“The Polish army must be so powerful that it does not have to fight due to its strength alone,” said Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki in November last year, as the country celebrated independence from the Soviet Union.
He promised that the country would have “the most powerful land forces in Europe.”
“We want peace, and if we want that we must prepare for war - in connection with that, we are strengthening the Polish Army in contrast to those who governed until 2015,” said Defence Minister Mariusz Błaszczak.
By definition anyone resisting a just cause is acting unjustly. — Benkei
So we see here it's not the opponents cause that gives rise to a justification to use violence but it arises from how the opponent pursues that just cause. — Benkei
There's some room for weighing what is and isn't proportional given the cause of course. The greater the good we're pursuing, the more intense violence we would likely accept. As an example, I think the moral intuition that we are allowed to use more violence to protect our lives then to protect our things, seems reasonably. — Benkei
Yep, and that's why you don't get what actually happens in the World.I view the European countries as little more than US vassals. What they do or think is generally irrelevant — Tzeentch
The talk was about the two-state solution here. Did you watch the whole lecture? That the time for a two state solution has passed away a long time ago. And here I agree with Marblesheimer. The topic wasn't anymore about Ukraine, fyi.I'm not sure if I follow the link to the Israel-Palestine conflict, but what I'm referring to are the failed negotiations that took place. — Tzeentch
Yep, and that's why you don't get what actually happens in the World. — ssu
The topic wasn't anymore about Ukraine, fyi. — ssu
Regarding politics, suppose Bob steals Fred's land in 1800. The land passes on through his descendants until in 2000 Bob Jr. owns it. At that time Fred Jr. demands that the land be returned to his family. He has a justified cause. Bob Jr. resists the claim, pointing out that he inherited the land that has been in his family for 200 years, during which time the land was substantially improved. Whatever we want to say about Bob Jr's resistance, I do not think we can say it is immoral. Two justified causes exist which are in conflict with one another. Such is politics. To reiterate my conclusion, "Not every action taken against a justified cause is immoral, much less punishable." — Leontiskos
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