I've been a small-time victim of a woke-leftist (whom I counted as a good friend). I rejected the necessity of the working class acquiring marxist enlightenment as a necessary prerequisite to solving the environmental crisis of global warming. "If that's the way you think," he said, "I never want to talk to you again!" and he hasn't. — BC
It just seems like that would be the reason to maintain contact, not sever it. — frank
I love that paradox. It reminds me of the paradox of freedom, which may result in a free person restricting of the freedom of others, in which case, the freedom of restricting the freedom of others must be restricted. It seems that the more freedom is permitted, the more restrictions become necessary. — Merkwurdichliebe
my point was in line with schopenhauer1, "that anti-Western sentiment is still Western sentiment." So that when voices from the Left claim that all Western civilization is a monolithic structure of oppression, then turn and begin advocating for the "tolerance" of oppressed minority groups (relying on a uniquely Western ethic), they highlight their contradiction.
The voices on the left who are constantly screaming about tolerance do not really care about tolerance. For them, it is an effective a political weapon because it is impossible to pin down due to its paradoxical nature (as you have shown). To win the debate, they will have no trouble calling your tolerance as intolerance, and their intolerance as tolerance, or when it suits them, calling tolerance as tolerance and intolerance as intolerance. — Merkwurdichliebe
Because people, institutions and companies want to be respected and respectful.Good point. This makes me wonder. If the latter is the actual case, and the former not, how is it that they come to be fearful of being called racist? — Merkwurdichliebe
In 2018, Laurence D. Fink, the longtime chief executive of BlackRock, the world’s largest asset manager, urged corporate leaders to assess the societal impact of their businesses, embrace diversity and consider how climate change could affect long-term growth.
“Companies,” Mr. Fink wrote in his annual letter to chief executives, “must ask themselves: What role do we play in the community? How are we managing our impact on the environment? Are we working to create a diverse work force? Are we adapting to technological change?”
Nearly five years on, those words have put BlackRock on the back foot amid the increasingly acrimonious and politicized debate over investing with environmental, social and governance — or E.S.G. — goals in mind.
However, the "woke" leftist views everything that is the case as a structure of oppression that must be obliterated, hence the woke version of progress is not to build and improve, but to tear down and destroy. Theoretically, it is a Leninist tactic ("the worse it is, the better") because it gives them more opportunity to highlight the failures of the oppressive state and push their illiberal agenda. — Merkwurdichliebe
Because people, institutions and companies want to be respected and respectful. — ssu
They hire a "diversity director", usually who works in the human resources. Guess who apply for that position? — ssu
Again, Americans don't like racists. — ssu
it looks like in the USA that the right-wing Republicans are trying to tear down and destroy. [...] — mcdoodle
forever disrupting, continually avoidiing commitment, never wanting to pass any motion because they are so busy signalling to the world how right they are?
Are you saying this isn't the case? — mcdoodle
Where in the USA are these woke lefties tearing down and destroying anything? — mcdoodle
Now if the largest mutual funds like BlackRock or Vanguard make diversity or climate change important, it will be important. — ssu
It is prudent for an individual, company, or institution to be respected and respectful. But I wonder, why racism specifically? why is it so uniform amongst them all? Why is there no appeal to honesty or dependabilty, or anti-murder? After all, historically speaking, dishonesty and homicide are very serious issues, as much so as any example of racism. — Merkwurdichliebe
If I may: — javra
To be fair, there are also C) those who don’t give a defecation either way, going with the flow of whatever is so long as they’re sufficiently fed and such. But these utterly neutral humans don’t effect any significant influence upon what type of societal environment they live in. — javra
[Give me a bit to reread your philosophy here. It is interesting] — Merkwurdichliebe
Can’t think of what would constitute acceptable racism, though, this among those in category (A). — javra
I think harmless joking amongst friends that may play on racial stereotypes, like "white people can't dance" might constitute acceptable racism. It is too absurd not to be funny. The question is: where to draw the line on the comedic front. And then there is the issue of true racists using comedy as a front. It os certainly complicated. — Merkwurdichliebe
...Racism falls flatly into category (B) — javra
Whereas anti-murder intents are, again currently in our society, so well established that they are nearly as superfluous as the intents to breathe. I don’t respect my neighbor on account of him not having murdered anyone yet—just as I don’t respect him for breathing as he goes about his daily life. — javra
If for Germans it's their Nazi past, for the US it's the racism of slavery and segregation. — ssu
"Whereas racist intents are, again currently in our society, so well established that they are nearly as superfluous as the intents to breathe. — Merkwurdichliebe
Is “Western Civilization”, the very foundation self-criticism regarding ideas like universal rights, due process, and Western philosophy itself unfairly and unthinkingly maligned by educators and leftists for some kind of relativism or one-way version of rights? — schopenhauer1
I would say the distasteful hubris is calling Japan / Japanese culture Western. Or (South) Korean. Or any non-Western country that has developed and prospered to be then Western.BTW, I find this whole thread distasteful hubris in its pretension there are monolithic cultures. — Benkei
BTW, I find this whole thread distasteful hubris in its pretension there are monolithic cultures. It's just a repeat of everything Huntington got wrong (and thus philosophically boring as well). — Benkei
The End of History and the Last Man is a 1992 book of political philosophy by American political scientist Francis Fukuyama which argues that with the ascendancy of Western liberal democracy—which occurred after the Cold War (1945–1991) and the dissolution of the Soviet Union (1991)—humanity has reached "not just ... the passing of a particular period of post-war history, but the end of history as such: That is, the end-point of mankind's ideological evolution and the universalization of Western liberal democracy as the final form of human government." — End of History
The Atlantic Charter was a statement issued on 14 August 1941 that set out American and British goals for the world after the end of World War II, months before the US entered the war. The joint statement, later dubbed the Atlantic Charter, outlined the aims of the United States and the United Kingdom for the postwar world as follows: no territorial aggrandizement, no territorial changes made against the wishes of the people (self-determination), restoration of self-government to those deprived of it, reduction of trade restrictions, global co-operation to secure better economic and social conditions for all, freedom from fear and want, freedom of the seas, abandonment of the use of force, and disarmament of aggressor nations. The charter's adherents signed the Declaration by United Nations on 1 January 1942, which was the basis for the modern United Nations. — Atlantic Charter
My point was not whether it was a good idea or not, but it's the reality of the world order post WW2, both for Europe and the former colonies (though being somewhat questioned by Russia at the moment.. pulling Europe back into "history" if you will). Russia represents a sort of "old school" sprawling multi-ethnic empire, run by a core region near Moscow and St. Petersburg.Nation states? A dumb idea. — Benkei
in the 1600s, near your region, I believe.Peace of Westphalia — Westphalia
Oh, now you are denying your own heritage! The Dutch did a lot to contribute to this and enjoy a very libertine society more-or-less (well, at least in Amsterdam). Don't forget, even old New York, used to be New Amsterdam. You can still see remnants of it here:Liberal democracy? Another dumb idea. — Benkei
Same can be generally said about the two different types of laughter at the exact same racial stereotype joke. A black, a white, and a purple walk into a bar ... — javra
However, purported race differences are entirely man-made, and lack biological, physiological, or genetic underpinnings. — WHAT IS THE BIOLOGICAL BASIS FOR RACE - IMPLICATIONS FOR PSYCHIATRIC GENETICS
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