My own view is that the Israelis restyle their state into a joint Israeli-Palestinian state, citizens having a choice of one of three passports, Palestinian, Israeli, or joint Israeli-Palestinian, full rights as citizens for all, and all Palestinians citizens. Obviously a lot of details to work out. — tim wood
Because the framing is apt, and still is even after these counter-arguments. — schopenhauer1
A fantastical depiction of Palestinian and Jews in one sentence. Well done. — Benkei
Everything in reality is the opposite of the way you framed it but the framing is apt to you? We're at a dead end here. Thanks for the conversation. — Baden
The analogy is utterly stupid. Give it up. No one in their right mind would accept such a ridiculous framing as the basis for rational argument. — Baden
I'll explain one last time. Suppose I say to you: The Israelis are like the Nazis and the Gazans are like the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto therefore surely the attack by Hamas on its oppressors is as justified as Jews fighting to get out of the Warsaw ghetto? Would you accept that framing.? Because I could offer far more justification for it (even though I don't accept it myself) than you can for yours. — Baden
The people of Gaza did not try to get rid of Hamas — schopenhauer1
I don't want to argue for it because I don't accept it. It's an example of mirroring propaganda. It frames the conversation in a way that presumes the conclusion in favour of the framer as you have done. Understand? — Baden
To some extent, it seems Hamas has terrorised their population into compliance. — flannel jesus
And yeah, I'll say Hamas and Nazis are indeed evil in their means and ends. — schopenhauer1
There's the crux of the issue: Hamas is evil, Israel isn't. Israel can be trusted with power, Hamas can't — RogueAI
People do seem a little too obsessed in the horror in far away lands. — I like sushi
I cannot say I actually care much about this whole nonsense. — I like sushi
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