Germans have human minds. No infant comes out of the womb with a brain of any particular nationality. They're potentially clever or slow, verbal or visual, have a facility for numbers or abstract ideas or arts. What happens next depends on the child's circumstances.
Whether a nation adopts the better or worse ideas of its clever citizens depends on the national aspirations at any given period. — Vera Mont
They each decide what they themselves value. The DoE imposes some conditions on the allocation of federal funds, but individual institutions of higher learning, administered by state agencies, have their curricula dictated by state policy and local boards of education choose and reject textbooks. This is what causes the disaster of teaching creationist doctrine in science class, climate change denial and high rates of illiteracy in the worst governed states. (I assume California is near the bottom because of its large immigrant population, but I haven't followed that up.)Okay and who decides what the Educators know and value? — Athena
A big one. And it changes over time.What part does culture play in our understanding of how to parent, and how to behave, and our values? — Athena
At any moment, regarding some nations, you can say so. As I already pointed out, that applies more to monoethnic societies than to diverse ones. Of course, with globalization, instant communication and large-scale migration, all cultures are increasingly influenced by other cultures. (I could swear this, too, has been mentioned before.) There are no static cultures, and haven't been any for a considerable time now, no matter how yearningly some people in just about every culture hark back to an earlier period they imagine to have been better.Coming from your arguments I will ask is there such a thing as a national culture and then subculturals? — Athena
That seems to be a contentious question in the United States . Secretaries of Education have a lot to say in the matter. Some political appointees like Betsy DeVos clearly don't believe in public education at all and make every effort to tear it down, while others, like Ron DeSantis have their own ideological crusade , while some, like Miguel Cardona, have an optimistic visionWho determines the purpose of Education? — Athena
In the year ahead, the Department will be focused on achieving academic excellence and accelerating learning for all students; delivering a comprehensive and rigorous education for every student; eliminating the educator shortage for every school; investing in every student's mental health and well-being; providing every student with a pathway to multilingualism; and ensuring every student has pathways to college and a career.
No; textbook publishers depend on sales to school boards and libraries for their living.Teachers are dependent on manufacturers for learning supplies. — Athena
State and local Boards decide what material will be supplied to classrooms.Who determines what they say in the text and provide on the Internet? — Athena
They each decide what they themselves value. The DoE imposes some conditions on the allocation of federal funds, but individual institutions of higher learning, administered by state agencies, have their curricula dictated by state policy and local boards of education choose and reject textbooks. This is what causes the disaster of teaching creationist doctrine in science class, climate change denial and high rates of illiteracy in the worst governed states. (I assume California is near the bottom because of its large immigrant population, but I haven't followed that up.) — Vera Mont
If we want our liberty and avoid the conditions of a police state and possibly another civil war, there are elements of culture that should not change. Do you want to argue against that? I am in agreement that we have culture change. The US is what we defended our democracy against, but is this a good thing? We have progressed in reducing racial of gender discrimination but I think some things have gotten worse, like reliance on authority.A big one. And it changes over time. — Vera Mont
My concern is the education of small children, — Athena
At 20 or fewer students per class, there is no reason you can't have both.Education for technology is more concerned with test scores and international ratings, not the individual child. — Athena
If we want our liberty and avoid the conditions of a police state and possibly another civil war, there are elements of culture that should not change. — Athena
The US is what we defended our democracy against, — Athena
What part does culture play in our understanding of how to parent, and how to behave, and our values?
— Athena
A big one. And it changes over time. — Vera Mont
At any moment, regarding some nations, you can say so. As I already pointed out, that applies more to monoethnic societies than to diverse ones. Of course, with globalization, instant communication and large-scale migration, all cultures are increasingly influenced by other cultures. (I could swear this, too, has been mentioned before.) There are no static cultures, and haven't been any for a considerable time now, no matter how yearningly some people in just about every culture hark back to an earlier period they imagine to have been better. — Vera Mont
If they don't learn to read and count in the early grades, higher education is off the table before they can even think about whether they want it. Self-governing adults are not necessarily innumerate, hero-worshipping science-deniers. — Vera Mont
Thank you for representing the million of people who do not see the importance of education for democracy and pulling out my thoughts about why a liberal education is so important! — Athena
Nonsense! You have made no case whatever - in all these pages - for why sound knowledge and useful skills are incompatible with virtuous character and good citizenship.
I have some issues - or rather, did have, when I was more directly interested in the process - with how certain subjects are taught, and how classrooms and testing are organized, but I see no reason - no reason whatsoever - why a person can't have a good education as well as good values.
I've been trying and trying to tell you: You don't have to choose! A well organized, well staffed, well conducted system of public education can achieve all of those objectives: well-rounded, confident, literate, numerate, logical people who take control of their own governance, economy and jurisprudence.
Don't believe me; compare the democracy index with the academic standings.
But the political entities and their special-interest supporters don't desire a knowledgeable, sensible populace: they desire a rabble that's easily swayed and buys all the merchandising.
And now, I'm weary of repeating it. — Vera Mont
“Unless we’re motivated by principle in our voting, we walk into a mirrored echo chamber, where there’s no coherence,” Kucinich — Athena
It's about the partisanship of US politics, I assume. He has a degree in communication, which is fine for a career politician. Seems like a nice guy, might a good president, but he can never be elected to that office: short, intelligent and vegan are a deadly combination in the USA. — Vera Mont
He lost the election to Bush Junior — Athena
We used to use the Conceptual Method of teaching children how to think. — Athena
Schools in the 1950s had a strict curriculum and teaching methods, with little room for creativity or deviation from the norm. The focus was on traditional subjects such as math, science, and literature, and most instruction was done through lectures and rote memorization. In contrast, today's schools are more flexible and teachers have more autonomy to use different teaching methods and approaches that best fit their students' needs. This includes the use of project-based learning, group work, and other modern teaching methods that are designed to engage students and promote critical thinking skills.
This was replaced with the Behaviorist Method which is also used for training dogs. — Athena
What might be the ramifications of changing how we teach children how to think? — Athena
What is the moral of evolution or getting a spaceship to the moon that will help us be better voters? — Athena
Schools in the 1950s had a strict curriculum and teaching methods, with little room for creativity or deviation from the norm. The focus was on traditional subjects such as math, science, and literature, and most instruction was done through lectures and rote memorization. In contrast, today's schools are more flexible and teachers have more autonomy to use different teaching methods and approaches that best fit their students' needs. This includes the use of project-based learning, group work, and other modern teaching methods that are designed to engage students and promote critical thinking skills.
Organizations are conscious life forms — ken2esq
?conscious life forms — ken2esq
Christianity -- the organization's consciousness -- is deliberately sabotaging the educational system to keep people dumb enough to still embrace that religion. — ken2esq
You are correct that Christianity is bad for education. But don't you see this is intentional? Smart, logical, and well-educated people, who avoid logical fallacies, would immediately realized the Christian mythic stories are false, would reject the religion to become agnostic, or Taoist or something, or atheist.
All life forms want to survive. Organizations are conscious life forms (see hive mind, see my posts on super-conscious beings). We unite in a common identity and birth a higher order of intelligence that we are linked to, and it wants to grow and survive, and will manipulate its "parts" (the humans that comprise its body, who unite under that identity) to defend itself from death. Christianity -- the organization's consciousness -- is deliberately sabotaging the educational system to keep people dumb enough to still embrace that religion. It must to survive. It dominates our politics (since most politicians identify as Christian) enough to basically have carte blanche over our educational system. — ken2esq
Are organisations like NATO or the 6 retail shops owned by the family of a friend of mine, also 'conscious life forms?' — universeness
BUT, not the classics, they must make room for the new enlightenments to come. — universeness
Oh my dear, I think I have to argue against that notion — Athena
I am fully expecting a New Age where our consciousness will be so changed people can no longer relate to our past. — Athena
:up: :up:I am not saying that the thoughts and fables of the ancients have no value, but I am saying that they are not good enough to form the basis of our moral codes or human rights or global constitution or prime directives, in our spacefaring futureas one united species.— universeness
'A counterfactual ideal projection' for which, like "God" or utopia/paradise, there aren't – never have been – any compelling grounds to believe or expect. 'Your Roddenberryesque fantasy' is, my friend, "incorrigible" – even, I'm sad to say, religious. You seem to forget: we are primates, not ants or angels. :mask:as one united species — universeness
Don't get me wrong Athena in that I am very aware of the truth of 'those who ignore the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them.' I am not saying that the thoughts and fables of the ancients have no value, but I am saying that they are not good enough to form the basis of our moral codes or human rights or global constitution or prime directives, in our spacefaring future as one united species. — universeness
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