I don't see this as anything but me.He then gives a thought experiment to show this where a man has his brain put in a vat but it is still connected, so his body is moving with out the brain in it. — Lexa
The moment the consciousness changes mediums, from biological to electronic, it is no longer the same consciousness. What you upload to another person will not be what was in the original. Plus, each body's chemistry is different. And our personalities are strongly influenced by things like hormones and neurotransmitters.Then he pushes it further by copying the mans consciousness onto a computer and then downloads it into another person. — Lexa
Even if not for the chemical differences, they would be different people. Just as identical twins are. How we think is influenced by our experiences. Different experiences means different ways of thinking.So it is you, except you are going through a different life experience than the other you. So, it would just be a different you, not in the sense of function, but in the sense of experiences, where one you would think one way going through one set of experiences, and the other would think in the exact same way (functionally not content wise), but having began to lead a different life with different experiences. — Lexa
So, it would just be a different you, not in the sense of function, but in the sense of experiences, where one you would think one way going through one set of experiences, and the other would think in the exact same way (functionally not content wise), but having began to lead a different life with different experiences.
what do you all think of this? — Lexa
I don't see this as anything but me. — Patterner
I think we need our bodies to experience life and that every cell in our body is part of our consciousness, so if our consciousness were transferred to a different body we would have a problem identifying that different body as who we are. — Athena
There is only one solution: the acknowledgement that personal Identity is a concept, a heuristic, not an objective feature of reality. — hypericin
According to heuristics, I learn by experience. — javi2541997
But there does also seem to be grounds for dismissing this as mere illusion. — Count Timothy von Icarus
Personhood is embedded in language, with such words as "I", "you", "person", "self", and special words which single each of us out individually. Since we largely think in language, personhood is imbued in our thinking.
Likewise, drugs sort of provide support in both directions. On the one hand, persons seem less than basic if they can be disrupted. On the other, you have the fact that persons seem to reconstitute themselves despite disruptions, so they aren't easily dispelled like many illusions, but remarkably robust. Plus, people with NDEs and drug experiences of "ego death" still tend to describe these experiences as "theirs," which gets back to language.
The premise is that the brain is still connected. No explanation as to how, but that's the premise. It is still getting the same information from the body, through whatever unspecified means.I don't see this as anything but me.
— Patterner
Ah, a brain in a vat would not get essential information without a body. What are you without a body? What is your body without a brain? People with Alzheimer's Disease have a sense of who they are but they may not remember anyone around them. They are not exactly in the here and now, but often in the past. — Athena
Jason Werberloff doesn't drink because he believes he would die through the process of becoming drunk, and a new person born, through the process of becoming sober. I don't take that line, but i find it very interesting. — AmadeusD
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