You don't turn to the least objective to ask what is most objective. That is, a judge who has an interest in the outcome of the case cannot sit on that case. So, might I be irrational in that circumstance? Likely. — Hanover
If you were forced to live under an apartheid system and brutalized for protesting against it, I imagine you might be tempted to take up arms against it. I condemn all attacks on civilians on both sides without reservation. The underlying cause of this conflict though is the unrelentingly and largely unrecognized violent oppression of the Palestinians. Try the trivial thought experiment of putting yourselves in their place and you might come up with a more objective viewpoint. — Baden
So a very successful operation if you ask Bibi. — Benkei
Do you agree with Hanover's assessment that bombing was the only way to defend Israel?
Ok, so what you're saying is "a very successful start if you ask Bibi"? — Benkei
What is Israel's end goal here? — RogueAI
What is Israel's end goal here? Are they planning an occupation? That would imply some sort of rebuilding effort. — RogueAI
To be a sovereign state that can exist without its next-door neighbor threatening its women and babies with rape and mutilation. :grin: — Merkwurdichliebe
An inconsistency when your actual policy is to revenge a large terrorist attack, yet you want to have nothing to do with giving real independence/autonomy to the Palestinians (the feared two-state solution). Of course when you assist terrorists like Hamas and then think you can control them, this is the end result.The optimistic version I have trouble seeing. Hamas is destroyed and some other authority rebuilds Gaza with the help of Israel? — Echarmion
Unfortunately the conquered land Israel loves so much seems to come with these human animals.So even in a legal sense, Israel cannot simply wash it's hands of Gaza and pretend it's some foreign country they don't have any responsibility for. — Echarmion
Isn't that the official line: a two state solution always in the future perhaps, but not now?In the long run, maybe in a decade or two, I would like to see a two state solution but not in the near future. — BitconnectCarlos
Isn't that the official line: a two state solution always in the future perhaps, but not now? — ssu
When peace comes we will perhaps in time be able to forgive the Arabs for killing our sons, but it will be harder for us to forgive them for having forced us to kill their sons. Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us. — Golda Meir
Well, what has going along with the peace plan given to the people in the West Bank, the apartheid system continues, there new settlements are built.They keep saying Abbas is ineffective, why is that? — schopenhauer1
Certainly, the Likud has all had this strategy where a two state solution would be a capitulation to the enemies of Israel. It has been the left that has honestly tried the two-state solution. Thus wanting peace, the Likud has fallen off from the political map and become a very tiny party in Israel.You can point to Netanyahu being a dick and this or that, but this sentiment goes a long way back before Netanyahu’s policies. — schopenhauer1
Trump win is a possibility, although I hope Americans would choose something else than frail old men like Biden or Trump.It will split the Democratic party and hand Trump a victory. — Hanover
You simply cannot deny that the occupied/occupier issue does matter here. It is imbalanced, because one being the occupier and the other side being the occupied with very limited resources is imbalanced!It’s so imbalanced in this forum these aspects of Palestinian responsibility have to be discussed and not seen only on one dimension of “occupied/occupier”. — schopenhauer1
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