I don't typically expect to see conservatives support Jewish people considering their concern that the Jews might control entertainment and maybe even the media. — TiredThinker
Israel is under a microscope compared to other middle eastern countries. — BitconnectCarlos
but as far as I'm concerned every illegal settler — Benkei
Do you believe Israel has a right to retaliate from the attack? — BitconnectCarlos
Does someone who commits assault have a right to retaliate when the victim strikes him, even when it's in his balls or a knife in his neck? It's the Palestinians retaliating not the other way around. Israel is not a victim but an aggressor. — Benkei
They chose their neighbors and they chose to steal from them. — Vaskane
Or we could teach the new generation of palestinians how Israel is illegitimate — BitconnectCarlos
Some of the people here hold Israel to an impossibly high standard, — RogueAI
:up:It comes to mind that the unannounced objective could to make Gaza unlivable and then try to push the 2,2 million or so to Sinai. Perhaps for a 'temporary time', so it wouldn't be an act of genocide / ethnic cleansing. — ssu
zionism-über alles, settler-ethnic cleansing ("lebensraum"), apartheid state of Israel. — 180 Proof
Even by the crudest biblical eye for an eye standard, Israel has taken seven or eight. — hypericin
When it comes to a different people, e.g. Amalek, large scale destruction is on the table. — BitconnectCarlos
Yoni Saadon, one of the witnesses, recounts in the Times: "I saw this beautiful woman with the face of an angel and eight or ten of the fighters beating and raping her. She was screaming, 'Stop it - already I'm going to die anyway from what you are doing, just kill me!' When they finished they were laughing and the last one shot her in the head. I pulled her body over me and smeared her blood on me so it would look as if I was dead too. I will never forget her face. Every night I wake to it and apologise to her, saying 'I'm sorry.'" — BitconnectCarlos
. I would say that to ask Israelis to behave like "civilized" westerners is about as sensible as asking why you personally aren't white. — tim wood
As sanctioned by whom? God? Or have you given yourselves license to do the sanctioning as well? — hypericin
I reject analogies that liken countries to individuals. Countries are not individual moral agents that bear individual moral responsibility. One does not "get back" at this "person" by killing its civilians. — BitconnectCarlos
A Jewish baby born in Jerusalem or Tel Aviv is an "illegal settler" according to Hamas (and unfortunately a significant portion of the Palestinian population). I recommend the Ami Horowitz interview where he interviews a Hamas leader and asks this question directly. — BitconnectCarlos
I think the problem is to think here that retaliation and retaliatory strikes is the answer. Going after the perpetrators to prevent further attacks isn't retaliation. But it is hard not to see the retaliatory nature of the mission with the talk of human animals, the evil city, Biblical references and other dehumanization of the Palestinians. And then, even with the ground troops inside the city, using still a lot of air power. Using bombing to level the city is so different from how for example the US fought against insurgents in Iraq. It comes to mind that the unannounced objective could to make Gaza unlivable and then try to push the 2,2 million or so to Sinai. Perhaps for a 'temporary time', so it wouldn't be an act of genocide / ethnic cleansing.
Comparing how the US dealt with insurgents in Iraqi cities is here valid. The US went to great lengths to avoid using air power and the ground troops understood it well. The ironic thing is that the US armed forces actually won the Sunni insurgency only to then withdraw, have the Shia lead government take over and mess up all the work the Americans had done and the end result was ISIS taking over.
Showing restraint isn't a sign of weakness, it's usually a sign of intelligence. But if one wants just to retaliate and thus give those who call for retaliation what they want, that's something else. — ssu
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