How wealthy would the wealthiest person be in your ideal society? — Captain Homicide
from each according to their ability, to each according to their need.
Wealth is an evil concept. — Vera Mont
Wealth being an "evil" concept is merely a reflection of your own hate and resentment towards those who hold it. — Vaskane
Show me the "good" uses of an instrument designed explicitly to inflict pain, damage and death.It is like a sword, a firearm, an instrument, something that can be utilized for an effect which people see as good or as bad. — Vaskane
from each according to their ability, to each according to their need.
Wealth is an evil concept. — Vera Mont
Exactly as wealthy as the poorest. They would both own their homes and control enough land to cultivate food for their family and community, have their own source of energy, transport and communication devices, share in recreational facilities and health services, contribute to those services and practice a useful trade the product of which is distributed in the community - from each according to their ability, to each according to their need.
Wealth is an evil concept. — Vera Mont
From where does a man strive toward then? — Outlander
self-fulfillment, the attainment of skill in his craft and the privilege of passing on hard-earned wisdom to the next generation.What purpose does he have to excel, — Outlander
Why defeat? Why not simply improve upon, day by day?to defeat that lesser man in the mirror he woke up to? — Outlander
The question was:This sounds nice, but never works in practice. — RogueAI
Not "What would work in our terminally ill civilization?"How wealthy would the wealthiest person be in your ideal society? — Captain Homicide
From where does a man strive toward then? — Outlander
From birth to dotage, for self-esteem, the love of a happy family, the respect of his fellow citizens, the satisfaction of contribution to the common weal. — Vera Mont
What purpose does he have to excel, — Outlander
self-fulfillment, the attainment of skill in his craft and the privilege of passing on hard-earned wisdom to the next generation. — Vera Mont
to defeat that lesser man in the mirror he woke up to? — Outlander
Why defeat? Why not simply improve upon, day by day? — Vera Mont
As we here all attest. — Vera Mont
My claim is simply that without some unnecessary, perhaps even gross and offensive to the enlightened mind, idea, concept, or "dream" even, the majority would not be as eager as they should be knowing the full value of their efforts, despite being unable at the present. — Outlander
How wealthy would the wealthiest person be in your ideal society?
Where would their wealth come from? — Captain Homicide
They would both own their homes and control enough land to cultivate food for their family and community, have their own source of energy, transport and communication devices — Vera Mont
I don't want to build my own hut, farm 40 acres with a mule, operate my own windmill and solar panels, and everything else. Whatever happened to cooperative, collective systems? — BC
Isn't that what I said?I want a society where we work together to provide what we need -- from each as they are able, to each as they require. — BC
Let's paraphrase that more succinctly: capitalism, has been a scamHome ownership, under capitalism, has been something of a scam. — BC
Not if we did intelligently.Starvation would be much more common if we all had to raise our own food. — BC
Which country do you think has a superior system? — RogueAI
Sure. They can all vie for the title of Who Acquired More Stuff for Their Heirs to Sue Over. — Vera Mont
Within the admittedly poor limits of my knowledge, the majority is neither eager to contend nor able to attain anything like the full value of their efforts. Is that fair? I don't think so. But, as you say, opinions are cheap. — Vera Mont
Yes, as I said, over the crumbs off the rich man's table.Though bear in mind people fight and kill over far less. — Outlander
IF. But they don't raise their heirs at all, do they? Nannies, tutors, private schools and academies raise them as the special class of privileged little lords and ladies their family fortune makes them.If they raised their heirs properly and morally, — Outlander
That's a happy perspective. I wonder what percent of the world's population shares it? Not these people, probably. Or these... How about them? Are they getting full value? Closer to home, are these guys? They get $19-23,000 a year; the guy up in the big corner office takes home $1.2 000,000,000. Gee, Donnie must work really, really hard and never go to the bathroom at all!That said, when one looks beyond the short term and gazes into the long term of society as a whole, one might find it is not quite the zero-sum game. I think so at least. — Outlander
No. But if they dislike you for giving children cancer or killing all the fish, you might deserve some of the blame.What I mean is, just because someone doesn't like you or something about you, doesn't automatically give the concept merit. — Outlander
So long as they are just in their transfers there is no reason to prevent someone from becoming wealthy. To do so would be to engage in the unjust transfer of wealth, for instance through theft, exploitation, and forced labor like taxation. — NOS4A2
I don’t think anyone needs or deserves more than that and even if I did I still think anything beyond that would be detrimental to society as a whole. — Captain Homicide
If Rawls' theory of justice is correct in concluding that "economic inequalities are to be arranged so that they are to the greatest benefit of the least advantaged" then this maximin principle may entail that taxation is just.
Although I suspect you agree more with Nozick.
I'd like to see you set out a consistent and closed system of private ownership based on moral rules only.
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