Could it be the same meaning asSynthetic expressions are expressions of language that also require sense data from the sense organs. Example: "I see a cat in my living room right now". — PL Olcott
Could it be the same meaning as
"There is a cat in my living room right now." or
"A cat is in my living room right now." or
"A cat exists in my living room right now."?
Above expressions don't require sense data? — Corvus
Having seen the cat in the living room, I could come out of the living room, shut the door, and I can still say those statements from my memory without seeing the cat.The only way that you can verify that a specific event is occurring at a specific location
right now generally requires that you are seeing this event occur. — PL Olcott
Having seen the cat in the living room, I could come out of the living room, shut the door, and I can still say those statements from my memory without seeing the cat.
"A cat is in my living room right now." or "There is a cat in my living room right now." — Corvus
The truth value regarding analytic/synthetic statements detracts from your central point. It is a classic red herring that only illustrates what is already known, i.e., synthetic statements are more fraught with ambiguity. — Arne
The truth value regarding analytic/synthetic statements detracts from your central point. It is a classic red herring that only illustrates what is already known, i.e., synthetic statements are more fraught with ambiguity. — Arne
We cannot have vagueness and ambiguity in the key terms that are being defined.
We must stipulate their precise definitions. — PL Olcott
You misunderstand. I am not saying your "definition" of either the analytic statement or the synthetic statement is ambiguous. Instead, "tokens" of the statement "type" synthetic are more prone to ambiguity than "tokens" of the statement "type" analytic. — Arne
that can be verified as true — PL Olcott
or verified as not true. Cats are rocks. An analytical statement that is verified false is still an analytical statement. And the same can be said of synthetic statements. So again, whether a statement is true/false does not determine whether it is analytic/synthetic. Instead and consistent with your original post, the true difference between analytic or synthetic statements is the need for sense data. — Arne
That is one reason why I am making sure to exclude them
— PL Olcott
My bad.
I mistakenly presumed your post was about "Overcoming all objections to the Analytic / Synthetic distinction."
Good luck with that. — Arne
Instead and consistent with your original post, the true difference between analytic or synthetic statements is the need for sense data. — Arne
I suspect Quine would consider the process by which words are attached to meaning is far more organic than people prefer. — Arne
Analytic expressions are expressions of language that can be verified as completely true entirely on the basis of their connection to the semantic meanings that make them true. Example: "Cats are animals". — PL Olcott
We can call this the analytic(olcott) / empirical(olcott) distinction meaning that any expression of language that can be verified as true on the basis of the axioms of the verbal model of the actual world is analytical(olcott). — PL Olcott
Do they know how cats look like?Blind people know that cats exist. — PL Olcott
"That cats exist." is a statement, which needs verification to be true. It is only true if and only if the cats exist in the actual world of some place (in your living room, or your kitchen) at certain time duration T1 - Tn.That cats exist is an axiom in the verbal model of the actual world. — PL Olcott
"That cats exist." is a statement, which needs verification to be true. — Corvus
The fundamental problem is that at the end of the day properties cannot be described in words. How can the sensation of pain be described, the smell of a rose, the colour red, the feeling of missing an important appointment? — RussellA
Does he disregard justified "belief" as a ground for truth? — Corvus
It is not at all that properties cannot be described using words. It is that some properties require first-hand direct experience of sense data from the sense organs to be fully described. The actual smell of a rose cannot be completely put into words, thus is not an element of
the body of analytic knowledge. We can still know that some {roses} are {red} even though
we lack the sense data from the sense organs showing exactly what {red} is. — PL Olcott
Synthetic expressions are expressions of language that also require sense data from the sense organs. — PL Olcott
Consider a computer generated language that does not depend on any external information. Rather than the expression "cats are animals", consider the more general case "X is Y". If it is possible to verify the expression as true, then the expression is analytic. — RussellA
It seems you are conflating the synthetic analytic distinction with a priopri a posteriori one. — Lionino
Heinlein's "fair witness" merely refrains for forming conclusions based on sense data when
there is a pause in the continuity of the sense data. — PL Olcott
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