If the latter, then free will is logically compatible with God willing everything. In short, God willed humans to have free will. At which point, we have full control (and responsibility) over our intentions — Samuel Lacrampe
Truth does not contradict truth, and so if a claim is illogical, then it cannot be true. That goes for all types of truths, including religious claims. That is not to say that there cannot also be faith. One may have faith that a claim is true, but only insofar that the claim is not illogical.I never thought God as being logical or religion for that matter. I always thought that both were a matter of faith so whatever they say is it. — Rich
However, if we suppose that our thoughts have been ordained for us, along with all else, we cannot place any faith in them. They are not in fact OUR thoughts at all. — Tony
Is there any answer to this objection?
If everything is pre-ordained, whether by Calvin's God or by the outworking of the Big Bang, then that applies to every space and character of this discussion and every sensation of thought as we perform our pre-ordained character strokes. I cannot judge the validity of what is said because I cannot originate any judgments whatsoever. — Tony
I don't see what the problem is with that. If God ordains us with the ability to understand him, say through human reason, then we can understand his ways through it. — Samuel Lacrampe
This statement is not a logical necessity. For one thing, we could know God's intentions if he told them to us. This Lord you speak of fits more into deism rather than theism.One cannot know the intentions of the Lord. — Rich
Denying the world is an exercise for developing free will. One holds back all impulses; instinctive, personal, habitual and collective so one can differentiate the predetermined. Since so few people will make this effort, very few people ever develop free will. — wellwisher
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