But do we know what "God" is?But dispensing with the idea of god (the ultimate consciousness) because of the failings of a few fallible humans is throwing out one big baby with some very dirty bathwater. — Pantagruel
But do we know what "God" is — Corvus
Does it mean that Democritus made up a word for atom for something he didn't know what he identified with or intuit about? In that case isn't the word atom vacuous?Democritus did not know what an atom was, he just identified a general concept he was able to intuit using a word. — Pantagruel
Does it mean that Democritus made up a word for atom for something he didn't know what he identified with or intuit about? In that case isn't the word atom vacuous?
In the case of God, who personified with what object? There must had been an object or existence for personified. Would it be a fair inference? — Corvus
Anyway, I was interested, in particular, in Eagleton saying that 'it would be perfectly coherent for religious types to claim that God does not in fact exist.' — Wayfarer
Finally, one of the better books on the topic, notwithstanding its frequent polemical passages, is David Bentley Hart's The Experience of God. He 'gets' this understanding of the meaning of 'beyond existence' in ways that most do not. — Wayfarer
to what extent does the existence of 'God', or lack of existence have upon philosophical thinking. Inevitably, my question may involve what does the idea of 'God' signify in itself? The whole area of theism and atheism may hinge on the notion of what the idea of God may signify. Ideas for and against God, which involve philosophy and theology, are a starting point for thinking about the nature of 'reality' and as a basis for moral thinking. — Jack Cummins
I wonder to what extent if God does not exist, if as Dosteovosky asks, whether everything is permitted? So, I am left wondering about the limits and freedoms arising from both theism and atheism. How do you see both perspectives in thinking? — Jack Cummins
...it is the lack in acceptance of our empathically natural and biological interactions between people that leads to nihilism. — Christoffer
We need to focus on the natural drives towards compassion and empathy and work aligned with that and not against it. — Christoffer
We need to focus on the natural drives towards compassion and empathy and work aligned with that and not against it.
— Christoffer
Isn't this in fact also a belief, purporting guidance? — Pantagruel
I'm saying he has supplied a normative belief system himself, which is exactly comparable to the type of normative beliefs systems he says we can do without. He has generically employed the term "belief system" and associated that with "strong bias". Beliefs may be prone to bias, but the fact that bias exists in no way invalidates belief in general. I take no issue with the comments directed to a very specific subset of religious practices, but the idea that we can dispense with "belief systems" isn't reasonable. — Pantagruel
Ah ok. I'm not familiar with past discussions you two have had regarding belief systems. It sounds like an interesting topic for discussion. — wonderer1
For example, do you think the typical US Evangelical Trump fan, or Iranian Ayatollah fan, is likely to be an Eagleton and Hart fan as well? — wonderer1
Isn't this in fact also a belief, purporting guidance? — Pantagruel
which is exactly comparable to the type of normative beliefs systems he says we can do without. — Pantagruel
adhering to how we function as an entity — Christoffer
:fire:I am asking to what extent does the existence of 'God', or lack of existence have upon philosophical thinking. — Jack Cummins
I didn't realize we had a choice in that? Oh wait, we do? Of course. That is the essence of belief.
Of course, if you are saying that we haven't any choice in it, then it can't be a problem or a solution, can it? — Pantagruel
Adhering to what "is" negates belief — Christoffer
But dispensing with the idea of god (the ultimate consciousness) because of the failings of a few fallible humans is throwing out one big baby with some very dirty bathwater. — Pantagruel
An interesting point.To people like Nietzsche and Jung, "God" can be understood, psychologically, as one's supreme guiding principle. — Vaskane
Who were the first people started atheism and theism? When you say they share the same starting point, does it mean in time, or on the ideas of ground?Also an important reason as to why atheism and theism share the same starting point: they come out of the same psychological drives. — Vaskane
If the natural world is ample evidence of God, then how do you explain the mindless, irrational and unpredictable natural disasters such as earthquakes, hurricanes and floods which cause destructions and damages to innocent people?For me, "god" is an heuristic that I see no reason to forgo. The natural world provides ample, ample evidence of a huge spectrum of consciousnesses correlative with a spectrum of teleologies. — Pantagruel
If the natural world is ample evidence of God, then how do you explain the mindless, irrational and unpredictable natural disasters such as earthquakes, hurricanes and floods which cause destructions and damages to innocent people? — Corvus
The question was forwarded to you because you claimed that the natural world is ample evidence for your God.Who says it is a god's role to intercede or interfere with the unfolding of events? That's a presupposition. A hurricane is just a weather feature that is endemic to the ecological health of our planet. I certainly don't assume that human preoccupations are necessarily universal values. — Pantagruel
Do you have argument for the natural world provides us a vast spectrum of consciousness? In what sense and evidence? — Corvus
No. Simply put, Spinoza argues that nature (i.e. infinite & eternal (i.e. completely immanent) substance) excludes the existence of a 'transcendent, supernatural person' (e.g. the God of Abraham, the OOO-deity of theology, etc). Thus for most Spinozists, nature itself counts as strong evidence against all forms of theism (& deism (except maybe pandeism)).Could it be Spinoza? — Corvus
Perspective is essentially a form of bias. — Pantagruel
Belief systems are the fabric of our human reality. — Pantagruel
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