People also swear by blessing a cup of dogs blood in the shadow of a virgin or whatver. — AmadeusD
Did Westerners experience a similar history?
-> Technology introduces inequality to society (Iron, Colony, Industrial Revolution)
-> Moral system collapse (War Time)
-> Extreme legal systems that end war but cause severe destruction (Communist Party, Cultural Revolution)
-> Attempts to use legal means to maintain order (UN, Universal Declaration of Human Rights)
-> But still faces challenges? — YiRu Li
When a truly kind man does something, he leaves nothing undone.
When a just man does something, he leaves a great deal to be done.
When a disciplinarian does something and no one responds,
He rolls up his sleeves in an attempt to enforce order.
Therefore when Tao is lost, there is goodness.
When goodness is lost, there is kindness.
When kindness is lost, there is justice.
When justice is lost, there ritual.
Now ritual is the husk of faith and loyalty, the beginning of confusion. — Tao Te Ching 38.
What about chiropractic? People say that's "not a real science/medicine". Yet people swear by it. — Outlander
I think part of the cause in the West currently is the result of an ongoing conflict between science and religion whereby the success of science in material knowledge has been so overwhelming that social, political, and moral considerations, and especially any spiritual or religious concerns have been dismissed as fantasy, and nonsense. — unenlightened
I think chiropractic helps people by rubbing their backs and making it hurt less, but the "science" of it in that it somehow actually changes the skeletal structures or that it corrects malalignments, that's all horseshit and should be discarded. — Hanover
It's prefectly ok to say accupuncture is nonsense if it fails to show it works based upon scientific testing. And it is nonsense as a treatment for illness. It doesn't work. — Hanover
While I can't say I'm familiar with any scientific research or lack thereof involving chiropractic, and generally rank your general knowledge as on par if not better, the idea, as I was sold by my former chiropractor, that over time adjustments, well, adjust, seems to be plausible. — Outlander
To quote John Hopkin's Medicine:
"Acupuncture points are believed to stimulate the central nervous system. This, in turn, releases chemicals into the muscles, spinal cord, and brain. These biochemical changes may stimulate the body's natural healing abilities and promote physical and emotional well-being." — Outlander
I would need to see studies on this subject before committing to a view. — Tom Storm
I disagree — AmadeusD
Maybe give it a try and see for yourself. — YiRu Li
Just sharing some healthy practices in the hope of benefiting others.
I don't aim to prove whether it's true or not;
Chinese medicine is simply an exercise, food, or emotion therapy for me.
Do we need scientific proof of our mother nature?" — YiRu Li
Why don't you agree? I believe it's a translation issue. After hearing your perspective on the definition of 'Medical Practice, — YiRu Li
The proper justification for a scientific claim is that the methodology used is consistent with the scientific method. I don't know how more clear to say that.
But, if you see Chinese medicine as a cultural or religious practice, like I said, I'll stand back and respect your prayer.
Part of my respect cannot be to suggest that your practices are scientifically valid or that they should be included in a typical doctor's visit, though. — Hanover
ongoing conflict between science and religion — unenlightened
if you see Chinese medicine as a cultural or religious practice, like I said, I'll stand back and respect your prayer. — Hanover
Exactly. — Tom Storm
Authentic Chinese civilization lacks a religious concept or word. — YiRu Li
Chinese medical philosophy views spirit, mind, and body as interconnected, — YiRu Li
'The Yellow Emperor's Classic of Medicine,' mentioned in our OP, is a prophetic book with a writing style similar to Laozi, Zhuangzi, and the Bible. Prophetical works require a master to teach the disciple for proper understanding. — YiRu Li
I find it puzzling that when people hear about 'Medicine,' they automatically associate it with 'Western Science' and demand scientific proof. Why can't it be considered a 'Philosophy' classic book, similar to Plato's Dialogues, inspiring new modern thinking? — YiRu Li
Where is the Western medical philosophy book? — YiRu Li
Like I said, I have no objection to protecting your cultural rituals and holding them in proper regard (as I, no doubt, have my own), but I'm not going to pretend your medical claims are valid just to be accomodating. — Hanover
I have not defined medical practice — Tom Storm
My experience confirms my conceptual understanding that it is a placebo-based psychological practice with some efficacy around stress and self-understanding but has next-to-next medical efficacy beyond what has been developed along side Western concepts (such as diet and exercise - minus the Qi concept. As metaphor, perhaps). — AmadeusD
It’s not hard to find enthusiasts for any kind of therapy or pseudo scientific practice, from crystal channeling to psychic healing. — Tom Storm
Nice. Did you mean ‘next to no’ ? — Tom Storm
But this one phrase stands out as explaining much about what you have been saying that others have not understood. In the West there is a conflict between science and religion because people have fought over which religion is true, and who is in charge of what a religion says. So one cannot, or people do not, take the best of what Buddha says, and what Jesus says, and what Mohammed says and what Lao Tsu says and and put it together with what physicists and astronomers say. No, one must be right, and all the others wrong and false and evil.
Which must make the West look rather foolish to you. — unenlightened
Inequality is the root cause of dishonesty.
— YiRu Li
I disagree. "Dishonesty" is caused by intelligence; it is often an effective social, business or political tactic. — 180 Proof
I find it to be 'intelligent'! Adam and Eve ate the apple, marking The Beginning of Sin. Does intelligence cause inequality? — YiRu Li
I find it to be 'intelligent'! Adam and Eve ate the apple, marking The Beginning of Sin. Does intelligence cause inequality?
— YiRu Li
It's an allegorical or fictional story about obeying god and the consequences of not doing so. — Tom Storm
Have you heard the one about Schrodinger's cat? Ridiculous! how anyone can be scientist after that is beyond me. — unenlightened
Just because we can't "see" something or correlate how and why something works doesn't automatically mean it doesn't. — Outlander
most don't even know that their depressed state is caused by a lack of spirituality because they never were aware that even existed to be missing. — Hanover
Yahweh being a Mafiosa-style... — Tom Storm
I would say it is not that intelligence causes inequality.....one has to imagine, not only oneself and others acting out the scene, but also to imagine their thoughts and feelings and one's own thoughts and feelings... — unenlightened
Prophecy as a part of medicine is ... — AmadeusD
Sure, it's not a game of Operation where you touch one spot and all of a sudden your lifelong migraines instantly vanish all the time, every time. — Outlander
I have no fear that religion will be over-run and that secular society will snuff it out. — Hanover
Did you mean ‘next to no’ ? — Tom Storm
people do not, take the best of what Buddha says, and what Jesus says, and what Mohammed says and what Lao Tsu says and and put it together with what physicists and astronomers say. — unenlightened
Where is the Western medical philosophy book?
— YiRu Li
Why do you want one? — AmadeusD
Authentic Chinese civilization considers prophet books a comprehensive 'Citation', integral to history, other prophet books, and nature & social science. The Prophet books offer 'Keywords' for understanding ancient civilizations, making it easy to find similar teachings across cultures. In Taiwan and China's K12 schools, 50% of daily learning over 12 years is dedicated to understanding ancient prophet books. — YiRu Li
None of these are citations — AmadeusD
That may explain the lack of efficacy and acceptance. — AmadeusD
as a fun hobby with family and friends — YiRu Li
An easier way: Listening to the doctor on YouTube how they explain the spirit and mind issue for each disease. e.g. anger, high blood pressure. Then link it to the prophet books or modern psychology therapy that you are familiar with. — YiRu Li
It makes sense from a Computer science view. Maybe the Law field also has a similar concept? — YiRu Li
All the disease and corresponding acupuncture points are all taught in the YouTube videos. — YiRu Li
How would this be a good idea? Looking at unreliable spiritual chat on the Internet and linking it to unreliable historical, poetics masquerading as medicine seems a sure-fire way to preclude yourself from gaining any understanding of the issues you're facing. — AmadeusD
And not in any medical texts, or anything that can be taken particularly seriously. — AmadeusD
Most of the listings you've put out are just tenets of TCM. They are not 'facts' to be discussed as such. — AmadeusD
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