Hence likely at some time the US will finally get out of Iraq and likely at some time from Syria too. — ssu
:up:The Israeli newspapers have spoken openly about what they call the 'Netanyahu-Hamas Alliance', and how Netanyahu intentionally sought to get Rabin assassinated. — Tzeentch
Ungrateful? I think here it's necessary just to compare the US and Europe and the cooperation what has be produced to how the US acts on other continents and how the cooperation with other countries has gone.Yes. Isolationism has been a goal of the US conservatives for a long time now. We're tired of transplanting our ideals of democracy to ungrateful foreign lands. — magritte
Actually, likely no. What I think that a Trump administration will eagerly promote is simply that "Europeans should defend themselves Europe more and not totally rely on the US" and that US will take a more passive role. That's the most likely outcome. You see, Trump's tweets and Trump's rhetoric is a bit different what actually the Trump administration will end up doing. Trump is an orator, not a leader. And foreign policy is a bigger process than a speech or a remark from the POTUS.The MRGA crowd, sorry, I meant MAGA will likely sweep the elections here. Trump will gain dictatorial powers and align us with the Kremlin. This might prevent a world war but at a very high cost (we're sorry, Ukraine). — magritte
I am likely an outlier in this conversation. I see two groups of people who have been buffeted by historic forces outside their control who are struggling to survive. It is an ongoing tragedy for everyone that shows no signs of ever resolving. — EricH
This shows just how difficult the two state solution is: it's not only an issue about dividing land, it's also how viable the Palestinian State would be. The Palestine Authority has, especially in the eyes of Palestinians, become a sidekick of the Israelis. The Palestinian conflict isn't as easy as making a peace treaty with a neighboring country. — ssu
Israel is an unruly child of the US, poking their neighbours in the eye and stamping their feet. While the parent (the US) is trying to calm the situation and avoid a row between the parents. — Punshhh
Now we have a contradiction at the heart of the US policy. They want to avoid a war while at the same time thinking strategically how they could have war with Iran, take Iran out. — Punshhh
Exactly. And let's look how difficult it is even them to take a peace process seriously. Both sides have actually genuinely thought about peace when there has been the fear of losing their main backers: PLO chose to seek the peace process after Arafat had angered the Gulf States by backing Saddam Hussein in his invasion of Kuwait. Israel on the other hand thought that after the Cold War had ended and the Soviet Union dissolved, the US wouldn't need it around anymore so it took quite seriously the peace proposals and the Madrid process started by the US. Only afterwards Bibi understood that American Evangelists are diehard supporters of Israel, hence he really can go for greater Israel because no American politician will ever stand against him and the Zionist cause (because of the crazy religious people waiting for the rupture, supporting Israel isn't a foreign policy issue, it's a faith issue).This is entirely true and which is why a staggered approach is necessary. What's particularly troublesome is, is that neither party can be trusted (the IDF least of all) to adhere to any ceasefire. So the conditions for building trust while you negotiate all the various points aren't there and that way you'll never reach the end goal. — Benkei
This attitude just shows how fucked up this is.Besides Israel bears a big weight on its shoulder given its geopolitical environment: being in a very strategic position between the mediterranean and the Middle East, and in potential competition with 3 hegemonic powers Turkey (cradle of the Ottoman empire), Iran (cradle of Persian empire), Saudi Arabia (cradle of the Islamic empire). — neomac
So just what you earlier said means that if the IRA had killed 1200, then you would have been totally OK with air strikes! — ssu
Do you understand that your response can be the intent of the perpetrator? — ssu
Do note what Maggie did after the actual bombing: she continued the conference and declared: ""this attack has failed. All attempts to destroy democracy by terrorism will fail." — ssu
I don’t find this image particularly enlightening.
Yeah right, seems to be then a lot of military infrastructure in Gaza, when now half of the buildings have already "contained military infrastructure":Israel does not bomb neighborhoods because the residents are sympathetic to Hamas; it bombs them because they contain military infrastructure. — BitconnectCarlos
(Times of Israel, Jan 1st 2024) Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s two senior far-right partners endorsed the rebuilding of settlements in the Gaza Strip and the encouraging of “voluntary emigration” of Palestinians on Monday, while hawkish opposition MK Avigdor Liberman called for Israel to reoccupy southern Lebanon.
Speaking during their parties’ respective faction meetings in the Knesset, National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir and Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich presented the migration of Palestinian civilians as a solution to the long-running conflict and as a prerequisite for securing the stability necessary to allow residents of southern Israel to return to their homes.
The war presents an “opportunity to concentrate on encouraging the migration of the residents of Gaza,” Ben Gvir told reporters and members of his far-right Otzma Yehudit party, calling such a policy “a correct, just, moral and humane solution.”
“We cannot withdraw from any territory we are in in the Gaza Strip. Not only do I not rule out Jewish settlement there, I believe it is also an important thing,” he said.
The “correct solution” to the ongoing Israeli-Palestinian conflict is “to encourage the voluntary migration of Gaza’s residents to countries that will agree to take in the refugees,” Smotrich told members of his Religious Zionism party, predicting that “Israel will permanently control the territory of the Gaza Strip,” including through the establishment of settlements.
(Times of Israel, 3rd January 2024) The “voluntary” resettlement of Palestinians from Gaza is slowly becoming a key official policy of the government, with a senior official saying that Israel has held talks with several countries for their potential absorption.
Zman Israel, The Times of Israel’s Hebrew sister site, has learned that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s coalition is conducting secret contacts for accepting thousands of immigrants from Gaza with Congo, in addition to other nations.
“Congo will be willing to take in migrants, and we’re in talks with others,” a senior source in the security cabinet said.
Didn't the Germans at first think about relocating Jews to Africa? — ssu
One could argue that deporting people from a country that they don't live in, but want to live, is a bit different from deporting people from a country (or let's say a physical place) that they have lived all their lives and do want to continue to live. — ssu
You really think that these countries wouldn't opt for peace, stability and prosperity in the region with good relations around to the present clusterfuck? They just really want to fight or what? — ssu
So I don't understand this whole bullshit about somehow Israel doing anything else but giving a reason for various parties to have this war around. There are other problems, like the Kurds, but still, this is the conflict what really gets the place wild. — ssu
The Middle East is something that the Nordic countries were in the Middle Ages, the South American countries in the 19th Century. So I don't understand what the benefit truly is to have the Middle East as this cauldron of violence. — ssu
One reason, which should be trendy, old white European men with moustaches:If all those countries would just opt for peace, stability and prosperity in the region with good relations around to the present clusterfuck, why did they end up in this clusterfuck in the first place? — neomac
It is as interesting question like as why is US treating Israel so differently than any other of it's allies. (No wait, Israel isn't actually an ally of the US, meaning there is no actual defense treaty, hence Israel doesn't have to come to the aid of the US.)Indeed, why would Iran even care about the fate of Palestinians? — neomac
Trump's Abraham records was basically an attempt to bribe the countries in normalizing relations with Israel and simply to sideline the troublesome question of the Palestinians. This was indeed the worry of Hamas, and it thus went with the Al-Aqsa Flood operation, something that likely had been planned for years. I think it came as a surprise to Iran what Hamas did.Israel and Saudi Arabia were trying to overcome historical conflicts and that might have favoured peace, stability and prosperity, but Hamas and Iranians (at least) messed it up because not convenient to them. — neomac
Actually, you can understand it. And the more you understand it, the less hopeful you are of a negotiated peace deal.I’m afraid the is no recipe to get out of this mess, which nobody fully understand or dominate. — neomac
I feel the same way. What would be the reason why a two state solution would be reached? Perhaps that Bibi really fucks up and we aren't going to be talking about tens of thousands of killed Palestinians, but perhaps a hundred thousand killed. Or two hundred thousand. When does Israel loose the "beacon of democracy" role in the eyes of Americans? Americans don't like what is happening in Gaza, yet how about when it's even worse? And how after that will gentile Americans and Europeans feel towards Jews in general when Israel is in the international arena like white South Africa? Then some Benny Gantz has to do something to improve the image after "Mr. Security" Bibi Netanyahu.I find it very hard to be optimistic about it, though. — neomac
(See Hamas says October 7 attack was a ‘necessary step’, admits to ‘some faults’)The group said that avoiding harming civilians “is a religious and moral commitment” by fighters of Hamas’s armed wing, the Qassam Brigades. “If there was any case of targeting civilians; it happened accidentally and in the course of the confrontation with the occupation forces,” read the report.
It added that “maybe some faults happened” during the attack “due to the rapid collapse of the Israeli security and military system, and the chaos caused along the areas near Gaza.
Actually the last war between the Nordic states happened between Sweden and Norway in 1814, which was the last war Sweden has fought (and actually was victorious). And just think what needed to happen in Europe for Europeans to want integrate and be so peaceful. We had to have WW1 and WW2 where millions of died.Maybe states can’t easily skip historical stages: Nordic countries evolved to nation-state status through all the bloody wars of the Middle Ages. — neomac
Cause, as I stated before, the tens of thousands of Palestinian deaths over the past 100+ years cannot be considered large enough scale to fit the term Genocide. But it is proper to use the term "holocaust," which details a slow burn killing over an extended period of time. — Vaskane
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