As I understand it, philosophy concerns making explicit – problematizing – the "limitations of the mundane" beginning with reasoning itself (e.g. Plato, Kant) so attempts to reason-without-limitations (i.e. thinking/knowing-beyond-thinking/knowing) is, it seems to me, pseudo-philosophical nonsense (Witty) or not doing philosophy at all (e.g. religious / spiritual / therapeutic fantasy). Except maybe in poetry, IMO, there is no "beyond".I am inclined to agree [with] Pantagruel about the limitations of 'the mundane'. — Jack Cummins
We exist on a plane of immanence (Deleuze et al) that is unbounded in all directions. We are also inseparable from this plane (i.e. "the mundane"), therefore, though limited, we are not merely finite beings. :fire:It seems such a 'flat perspective'.
Aren't we all? :monkey:I may be my worst enemy here.
Play Chess or Go, Jack: the real is always "hidden" from you in plain sight on the board (i.e. "the mundane", "the surface") while you play the game (i.e. live/think). Play Jazz music or European / Indian Classical music – truth is there if you listen with both your body and your ears.However, it is also a quest for 'waking up' and looking beyond surfaces. The idea of 'hidden' may be mythical as opposed to an objective 'reality' beyond the visible.
Yes. Even if it were only this, that would be enough. But the fact is, if you radically alter the nature of your being, the way that you live, you can begin to see patterns of feedback from people, society, and the universe, that you did not before. To that extent, it can be 'scientific'. As I have said and will continue to say, the human mind is very limited, so to presuppose that there are not further dimensions to understanding is just poor reasoning. Evolution documents their emergence. — Pantagruel
Where have I claimed there are no possible further dimensions to human understanding? — Janus
↪Pantagruel "Beliefs" such as? Also, please clarify what you mean by "embracing them fully". — 180 Proof
I hope that I am slightly less ignorant than two decades ago, If that is true, it is because I feel and do things differently. — Paine
I hope that I am slightly less ignorant than two decades ago, If that is true, it is because I feel and do things differently. — Paine
I was agreeing with Pantagruel that trying to learn a discipline required working with its language — Paine
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