...and then you have to factor climate change in again.... — Pantagruel

AMOC collapse would make Britain a far less balmy place.

True. Geologic time-scale events become less foreboding as one's lifespan dwindles however. I wouldn't want to be 30.

I wouldn't want to be 30. — Pantagruel

I'd gladly trade this 'glitchy' 60 year old husk for my peak healthy-fittest 25 year old body :strong: but only if my 60 years of memories, learning, understanding (i.e. maturity) remained. Granted that "wish", I'd relocate to a much more remote, physically challenging environment in a country in the global south where the hazards of climate change are, and will be for the foreseeable future, minimal. Such places, however, are no countries for old bourgeois men or women ... :fear:

By the way, the constituencies of Norfolk are Conservative. The Labour Party no longer held the urban constituencies they once held in Norwich North and Great Yarmouth, leaving them with no MP's. Norfolk
I don't know if this is a paradox or a contradiction. :chin:

Norfolk is Conservative due to the farming community and the middle and upper middle class communities. I would think a lot of them are changing their minds about now. The Green Party is doing well in Norfolk and Suffolk. Norwich is a really nice city, not to big, about 250,000, or there about with a rich history and cultural life. Definitely worth a visit.

where the hazards of climate change are, and will be for the foreseeable future, minimal. — 180 Proof

I'm not so sure about that.

Normally it's about -5 here this time of year. Last couple of days it got up around 15 and all the snow melted. Now, the temperature is plummeting, going down to -10 and we are getting up to 35 cm of snow in the next 24 hours. Then it is going back up to 8 on Friday.

edit: forgot to mention the 80 kph winds....

BTW I’d be very sceptical of what Sir2u has to say. — Jamal

And why would that be? Don't you watch the news and read the papers?

I did not even bother to mention the immigration problems there because there is just too much to say. But I think it is pretty shitty when they won't let you speak about how you think your country should be without being called a racist.

It will be interesting to know what our Manc mate, Sir2u, thinks about Manchester (or what he reminds about this city). — javi2541997

Even though I was born there I lived there for less than 15% of my life. Looking at the places that appear on the news and roaming the streets in Street View does not really bring back many memories. Probably because the first time I left England I was too young and the second time I was too poor to have been able to spend time doing much except work and study. I certainly don't miss any of the places I used to hang out at.
The last time I was in Manchester was back in 1980. I was there for 8 days, 3 of which I spent at the airport trying to get an early flight out of there.

I still check on the news from England almost every day, and I do the news from the States and Canada a couple of times a week.

The racism issue has become politically weaponised in the U.K. However the reality on the ground is not so bad. Although there are workforce issues and residential status issues due to Brexit.

South Germany near the French border is the way to go then or even France itself. Great summers (I studied there in Strassbourg, French side). Think Karslruhe, Frankfurt am Main, maybe as far as Stuttgart. Houses are affordable, if you're Quebecois your French is useful as it's relatively common in that area. There's plenty of nice villages around. French part is pretty conservative though.

Baden-Wurttemburg (Karlsruhe and Stuttgart) is more socialist (green party biggest, center CDU + socialist SPD make up 67%). Hessen, where Frankfurt am Main is, is even more left-leaning.

The surrounding country side is great. Hilly. And much better weather than the UK. Benefits of being in the EU is you get to travel everywhere without any hassle.

South Germany near the French border is the way to go then or even France itself. Great summers (I studied there in Strassbourg, French side). Think Karslruhe, Frankfurt am Main, maybe as far as Stuttgart. Houses are affordable, — Benkei

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I mean the region; not necessarily those cities. :wink: For instance, baden-baden would fit more of your criteria. But plenty of villages in the region. some Baden-baden photos

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We are looking seriously at emigrating to England (from Canada). Mainly for the warmer winters, also the community feel of village life. I feel it has a stronger socialist sentiment also. — Pantagruel

Interesting, possibly a romantic view. From an Australian perspective, everyone I know who wants to emigrate, wants to go to Canada - England being regarded as dysfunctional and a broken ruin, thanks to years of Tory and New Labour neo-liberalism and 'free'-market cock sucking.

Interesting, possibly a romantic view. From an Australian perspective, everyone I know who wants to emigrate, wants to go to Canada - England being regarded as dysfunctional and a broken ruin, — Tom Storm

Yes, and I had a feeling that some of that was coming, and a few different degrees of it already have. But here's a suggestion in return. Do you think you can know too much and become jaded about something? Because, likewise, Canada has equally dire problems and drawbacks, as I see them, and live them. And maybe bringing a romantic optimism to a new context will succeed in injecting some positive energy into that context and changing it for the better?

Why not a Scandinavian country instead? If you want a better and working socialistic environment, then England doesn't seem like the best choice?

Yes, I often say if you want to know about a place, don’t ask a local. Or at least, be very careful who you ask. A few times I’ve seen tourists in Edinburgh being given the most awful advice and information, laden with prejudices, cynicism, and basic ignorance.

↪Pantagruel Why not a Scandinavian country instead? If you want a better and working socialistic environment, then England doesn't seem like the best choice? — Christoffer

As a member of the Commonwealth my pensions and benefits are more straightforward than some other places, for one. My grandfather was born in England. I speak the language.

Do you think you can know too much and become jaded about something? — Pantagruel

If you are asking is it possible to know a place well and thereby understand its flaws? Then yes. There's a reason they say absence makes the heart grow fonder. :wink:

I think most western countries are victims of neoliberalism and the collapse of communities and public confidence which this has wrought. Australia is no different. But I would have no advice to anyone wanting to migrate to Australia. All I can really say is it's often unbearably hot and housing is unaffordable. Personally, I'd rather blazing sun than snow.

Yes, I often say if you want to know about a place, don’t ask a local. Or at least, be very careful who you ask. A few times I’ve seen tourists in Edinburgh being given the most awful advice and information, laden with prejudices, cynicism, and basic ignorance. — Jamal

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No one is more cynical than the believer who failed to find what they wanted. I stopped clinging to jobs like that was all that there was and started proactively redirecting the energy from legitimate dissatisfaction. But I only learned to do that because my boss dropped dead one day and my job of 11 years disappeared without a trace, since his programming was the company. If I started to feel unappreciated at a job, I didn't complain, I just started looking. My dad kept telling me to just stick with it, but after four jobs in five years I ended up in a real keeper, and because of the location I was able to visit him frequently during the last year of his life and to be with him at his bedside when he passed, because I worked right next to the hospital.

So I feel the same about where you are. If it isn't working don't complain, either make it work or try something else.

Why not a Scandinavian country instead? — Christoffer

I thought about Sweden when I read the OP (and Baños de la Encina, of course) because of the socialist sentiment or the idea of removing class-like societies and having both public services and education accessible for everyone. Sweden has always been a role model in this area, but I don't know if they are on the same path. The current government is Conservative, and (correct me someone if I am wrong here) they are facing a big issue regarding illegal immigration.
As well as The Netherlands...

Good story :cool:

No one is more cynical than the believer who failed to find what they wanted. — Pantagruel

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Hello, @Pantagruel. I was just reminded of you because I saw a documentary about Spaniards living abroad. One of them lives in Brighton. He seemed to be very happy, and he had a great experience living in England because he had previously tried to live in London and Bristol.
Yet, he claims that Brighton is probably one of the best places to live in England. His life experience is very interesting, and I searched for more information on Brighton.
By the way, this Spaniard works as a waitress.

Brighton is in South Essex. I am not an expert about English sociology but according to most Britons, Brighton is the hippest city of UK. It is funny because the paper where I read this claim, says: So are the residents of the south coast resort just a bunch of hopeless hippies - or do they know something the rest of us don't? Is Brighton Britain's hippest city?

I thought you would be interested in knowing about this city. It seems a cool place to try to live, indeed. :smile:

Brighton is known as London on Sea. Nice place and cool with an alternative slant and a Green MP. Personally I find it to big and busy, I would prefer Lewes just a short train ride away.

Interesting perspective. I didn't think that it was a big city. But you are the English man here, and I must not object to anything but agree with your point.

Lewes — Punshhh

I searched for info. It seems a cute city. It has a castle, so it gives a +1 to my taste, and a brewery. A cool town to consider of, indeed. :up:

In Britain some cities seem large when they aren’t when compared to cities in other countries.

I thought you would be interested in knowing about this city. It seems a cool place to try to live, indeed — javi2541997

Thanks javi! However it turns out that England's stance on cannabis reform is somewhat archaic and, until that changes, moving there poses us a serious problem. There are worse places to be stuck than Canada I guess....

I understand. :up:

Thanks javi! However it turns out that England's stance on cannabis reform is somewhat archaic and, until that changes, moving there pose us a serious problem. There are worse places to be stuck than Canada I guess.... — Pantagruel

If that's the main point, yes, Canada is more lax than Europe regarding the planting, consumption, selling, etc. of Cannabis. :sweat:

Lol. Have you considered the Netherlands then? We're very progressive - surrounded by dykes and everything.

But if you worry about global warming a lot, you do need to go inland.