The solution to this problem is to posit that something has always existed since nothing is impossible. — kindred
eventually, though, they do react, and space, and particles, etc. came to be, with time still existing from the original set. — 013zen
i disagree with the stance taken in the op, i think it is possible. Time can tell, but not you or anyone living today perhaps.There is no time in nothing therefore the creation from nothing is impossible. — MoK
:up: or instead of time is change, time allows change to happen in many places, small and large degrees. It can be/is measurable assuming time is a dim of movement (or change) in spaceAnd although it may be tempting to say that time is required for change, it is perhaps more accurate to say that time is change, assuming that time is in fact a dimension of spacetime. — Michael
:up: loop de loop, round and round.Circularity is not infinite regress, we are not always going back to new reasons, but looping. — Count Timothy von Icarus
:up: this is where i am at...The solution to this problem is to posit that something has always existed since nothing is impossible. That’s the only conclusion to be drawn from it. The obvious question is well where did this something come from and again we’re faced with the brute fact that it’s always been — kindred
valid? who cares if its valid...its not telling if time prevents any man from knowing...time helps the right man know.so mathematical theorems are valid even if there is no man who could deduce or know them — MoK
I was thinking something similar, I believe.
My thought process was:
When we refer to "reality" or "the universe", we are referring to: the entire collection of objects (ultimately made up of quarks, leptons, etc.), space, and time.
However, what if these "things" had precursor, "things" that aren't like any of the "things" that we are familiar with as constituents of reality.
These original things can therefore be eternal - (like you say, perhaps fields) - and have existed always.
The only one of the original familiar elements that I take as having to also be an infinite precursor as well, would have to be time.
Maybe, like a chemical reaction, these original, always existing fields, could go for a long time before reacting. eventually, though, they do react, and space, and particles, etc. came to be, with time still existing from the original set — 013zen
eventually, though, they do react, and space, and particles, etc. came to be, with time still existing from the original set. — 013zen
— Arne
Good stuff. Infinite amount of forces X, Y and whatever in an infinitely small space and all at rest. The only finite element of the scenario is the at rest. — Arne
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