• Josh Alfred
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    The following are questions I posed to Chatgpt. I have discovered a new term, and corrected Chatgpts understanding of how the human brain-environment generates logic. It's all very easy to follow. Maybe the programmers will somehow use my corrections and discovery, elaborating on the second,I do not know how that works…as of now

    Q: Is there a scientific term for retrospective accuracy?

    Retrospective accuracy is not a commonly recognized scientific term or concept in the field of science or research. It does not have a specific definition or understanding within the scientific community.
    However, based on the words themselves, "retrospective accuracy" could potentially refer to the accuracy of information or data collected or analyzed after an event or study has taken place, looking back in time. This could involve the evaluation of past records, memories, or historical data to assess the accuracy of previous assessments or predictions. It could be a way of determining how well something was predicted or measured in hindsight.

    It's important to note that the term "retrospective accuracy" does not have a widely accepted definition, so its meaning may vary depending on the context in which it is used. If you have a specific field or context in mind, it would be helpful to provide more information for a more accurate response.

    Q: Is there a psychological concept for this?

    In psychology, the concept of evaluating the accuracy of past memories or perceptions is often referred to as "retrospective memory accuracy" or "retrospective recall accuracy."
    Retrospective memory accuracy is the degree to which an individual's recollection or report of past events aligns with what actually occurred. It involves assessing the accuracy of memories or information recalled from the past.

    Researchers may use various methods to measure retrospective memory accuracy, such as comparing individuals' recollections to objective records or conducting interviews to assess the consistency and accuracy of their accounts.

    It's worth noting that memory recall is not always completely accurate, as memories can be influenced by various factors, including biases, suggestibility, and the passage of time. Therefore, evaluating retrospective memory accuracy is an important aspect of understanding the limitations and reliability of human memory.

    Q:Does retrospective accuracy have a usage in deductive logic?

    In deductive logic, the term "retrospective accuracy" is not commonly used or recognized. Deductive logic is concerned with the validity and soundness of arguments, focusing on the structure and form of reasoning rather than the accuracy of past events or information.

    Deductive logic involves drawing conclusions that necessarily follow from given premises. It is concerned with evaluating the logical coherence and validity of arguments, rather than assessing the accuracy of statements or claims made in the past.

    That being said, in deductive reasoning, one could potentially evaluate the accuracy of premises or statements used in an argument by comparing them to empirical evidence or established facts. However, the term "retrospective accuracy" is not a specific or widely used concept within deductive logic itself.

    Q:Does memory have anything to do with deduction?

    Memory can play a role in deductive reasoning, although it is not a direct component of the deductive process itself. Deductive reasoning primarily involves the logical evaluation of premises and the derivation of valid conclusions.

    However, memory can impact deductive reasoning in a couple of ways:
    Remembering premises: Deductive reasoning typically relies on the accurate recall and understanding of the premises provided. If a person's memory fails to accurately remember or understand the premises, it can affect their ability to reason deductively.

    Recall of relevant information: While deductive reasoning typically deals with abstract concepts and logical relationships, it may occasionally require the recall of specific information or facts.
    Memory can come into play when retrieving relevant information needed to evaluate the premises or make logical connections.

    It's important to note that memory is fallible, and errors or biases in memory can impact deductive reasoning. For instance, if an individual misremembers a premise or confuses details, it can lead to faulty reasoning or incorrect conclusions. Therefore, it is crucial to strive for accurate memory recall when engaging in deductive reasoning, especially when dealing with factual or empirical premises.

    Q: If you have no encoded memory of: A) a particular domain of science or B) a physical phenomena can you make deductions within that context?

    As an AI language model, I don't have personal experiences or an inherent understanding of specific domains of science or physical phenomena. My responses are generated based on patterns and knowledge derived from a wide range of sources up until September 2021.

    Regarding your question, deductive reasoning relies on the logical evaluation of premises and the application of established rules or principles to derive valid conclusions. While having prior knowledge or information about a specific domain or physical phenomena can certainly aid in making deductions within that context, it is not an absolute requirement.

    In the absence of encoded memory or specific knowledge, deductive reasoning can still be applied using general logical principles and available information. Deductive reasoning can be based on the information explicitly provided in the premises, the logical relationships between concepts, and established rules of inference.

    However, it's important to note that the accuracy and reliability of deductions may be affected by the limited or incomplete information available. Without domain-specific knowledge, the deductions made might be more general or reliant on broader principles rather than being specific to the particular scientific domain or physical phenomena in question.

    In summary, while having encoded memory or specific knowledge can enhance deductive reasoning within a particular context, deductions can still be made based on general logical principles and available information, even in the absence of domain-specific knowledge.

    Q:Where are the premises in a deduction coming from if not from memory encoded domain-specific knowledge?

    A:In deductive reasoning, premises are typically derived from existing knowledge, information, or assumptions. The source of these premises can vary depending on the context and the specific deductive argument being made. Here are a few common sources of premises:

    Established facts or principles: In many deductive arguments, premises are derived from widely accepted facts or principles within a given domain. These can come from scientific theories, mathematical axioms, logical principles, or other well-established sources of knowledge.

    Empirical observations or evidence: Premises can be based on direct observations or empirical evidence gathered from experiments, studies, or observations. These observations serve as the foundation for the premises in a deductive argument.

    Assumptions or stipulations: Deductive reasoning may involve making assumptions or stipulations for the sake of the argument. These assumptions are explicitly stated or agreed upon at the beginning and form the premises for subsequent deductions.

    Given information: Premises can also be explicitly provided as part of the deductive argument or problem. These premises might be stated in the form of statements or propositions that serve as the starting point for the reasoning process.

    It's worth noting that while memory and encoded domain-specific knowledge can serve as sources of premises in deductive reasoning, they are not the only sources. Deductive reasoning can rely on a combination of available information, logical principles, assumptions, and empirical evidence to establish the premises and make deductions.

    Q: Your last list of sources for deductive reasoning can rely on available information, assumptions, and empirical evidence? How can these exist without encoded knowledge?
    Chatgpt: I apologize for the confusion caused by my previous response. You are correct in pointing out that the sources for deductive reasoning, such as empirical evidence, assumptions, and established facts or principles, do rely on encoded knowledge to some extent. Let me clarify:

    Established facts or principles: These are typically derived from existing knowledge within a domain, which may be encoded in scientific literature, textbooks, or other sources of information.

    Empirical observations or evidence: Empirical evidence is obtained through observations or experiments, and it is often recorded and documented in some form, relying on encoded knowledge to interpret and analyze the data.

    Assumptions or stipulations: Assumptions can be based on prior knowledge, expertise, or encoded information that is brought into the deductive process.

    Given information: The given information in a deductive argument is typically provided based on existing knowledge or encoded information relevant to the problem at hand.

    In all these cases, encoded knowledge plays a role in providing the necessary information or assumptions for deductive reasoning. Memory and encoded knowledge serve as the foundation for the premises in deductive arguments, allowing for the logical evaluation and deduction to take place.
    I apologize for any confusion caused by my previous response, and I appreciate your clarification.

    Q: Where do the logical principles to form deductive logic exist? Recorded in an external data storage or as a function of the human brain(s)? Yes or no?

    Chatgpt: Logical principles, such as the laws of logic (e.g., the law of non-contradiction, the law of excluded middle) and rules of inference (e.g., modus ponens, modus tollens), are conceptual principles that govern valid reasoning. They are not physically stored in external data storage or specific locations within the human brain(s).

    Logical principles can be considered abstract concepts or mental constructs that are used to evaluate the validity of deductive arguments. They are a product of human understanding and reasoning rather than being physically stored or localized.

    While knowledge and understanding of logical principles are encoded in human cognition, they are not confined to a specific physical location within the brain. Instead, logical principles are part of the broader cognitive framework that facilitates logical reasoning and deduction.

    Therefore, logical principles exist as conceptual constructs that are applied by individuals in the process of deductive reasoning, drawing upon their cognitive abilities and encoded knowledge.

    Q:You are almost completely correct, but external storage of principles are in any general logical material information source, which is external? Correct?

    A: Yes, you are correct. I apologize for the oversight in my previous response. Logical principles and general logical information can indeed be stored and recorded in external sources, such as textbooks, philosophical writings, logic textbooks, research papers, online resources, and other forms of written or recorded material.

    These external sources serve as repositories of logical principles, rules of inference, and general logical information. They capture the accumulated knowledge and understanding of logical reasoning developed by humans over time. These sources provide a means for individuals to access, learn, and apply logical principles in their deductive reasoning processes.

    So, to clarify, while logical principles can exist as conceptual constructs in human cognition, the external storage of logical principles in written or recorded form serves as a valuable resource for individuals to learn and apply logical reasoning in deductive logic.

    Any questions or comments for discussion are welcome.
  • Josh Alfred
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    I wonder how accurate memory affects the validity of a deduction? One way of knowing this is through testing the deductive reasoning of people with memory diseases, another perhaps in child-hood developmental psychology, and another on future deductive machines?
  • unenlightened
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    I might be way off topic here, but...

    If you are interested in how deductive logic 'emerges' from neural networks, you might like G. Spencer Brown's The Laws of Form
  • Count Timothy von Icarus
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    You might consider this point: formal theories of communication and computation are extremely similar and in some cases indiscernible. Computation requires communication. In the canonical model of computation in natural systems, cellular automata, a cell's neighbors' need to "signal" the cell so that it "knows" which state to adopt. In the Turing Machine model, the head needs to scan the tape at each step to run the quintuple. This is communications.

    Memory can be seen as simply the communication between a past state of a machine and its future self. This same sort of communication can even be achieved via recursion in a Markov Chain IIRC.

    I will try to find the paper I found laying this out. But, if computation is deduction occuring in a step-wise fashion over time, which it seems to be to me, then we can think of memory and recursion as a sort of communication.
  • alan1000
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    You might also consider the desirability of expressing your main thesis in 200 words or less, developing further details in response to subsequent comments.
  • Athena
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    Retrospective accuracy is not a commonly recognized scientific term or concept in the field of science or research. It does not have a specific definition or understanding within the scientific community.
    However, based on the words themselves, "retrospective accuracy" could potentially refer to the accuracy of information or data collected or analyzed after an event or study has taken place, looking back in time. This could involve the evaluation of past records, memories, or historical data to assess the accuracy of previous assessments or predictions. It could be a way of determining how well something was predicted or measured in hindsight.
    Josh Alfred

    As I read this, what I thought you were talking about was how we judge if something is believable or not. For example, one may be persuaded to believe the mythology of Christianity, if one already holds an idea of gods who make things happen and who punish or reward humans. Whereas, if one had no concept of such supernatural beings, the mythology of a god punishing sinners and saving people, may not be believable. Do my beliefs make what is said of a god a possible reality? How empirical is that?
  • Athena
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    If you are interested in how deductive logic 'emerges' from neural networks, you might like G. Spencer Brown's The Laws of Formunenlightened

    Now that is a little more interesting than the Bible and it goes nicely with my math books. Thank you.
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