Tom Storm         
         Propositions:
1. As we progress, our idols are destroyed and replaced, e.g., Ptolemy/Copernicus.
2. Improved instrumentation allows us to verify our perceptions and correct our thinking. Aristarchus saw a heliocentric universe before Ptolemaic geocentric universe was replaced by Copernicus’ heliocentric universe.
3. History can be an idol to be destroyed as in the case of Pythagoras and his theorem, which was known in other cultures long before Pythagoras. Also the victor usually wipes out the history of the vanquished.
4. Our historical idols did not spring up by the prowess of their own genius, but stood on the shoulders of giants as Newton said.
4. We should be conservative in accepting changes, but remember the priests have always had a vested interest in maintaining status quo. — isomorph
kudos         
         People today do not usually want their idols destroyed completely, but want to assuage their disappointment in a person with a phrase, but this meaning has drifted from the original story.
Kizzy         
         
Tom Storm         
         In an absurd universe, nothing we do ultimately matters, but if our survival abilities are clouded, we will never be able to adapt, and that is what I think has happened. — isomorph
L'éléphant         
         Sources, please.People are often under the impression that China is this super old civilisation like Egypt and Babylon but in fact it is barely younger than Greece. — Lionino
Tom Storm         
         Some recent archeology in Central America indicates that some of the civilizations were so successful that they depleted their resources. I think that is culture and not a result of our survival instincts. — isomorph
Is it not possible that our 'survival abilities' are a double edged sword? What makes us strong could also be what can takes us out. — Tom Storm
ENOAH         
         if our survival abilities are clouded, we will never be able to adapt, and that is what I think has happened. — isomorph
Confucius said, born alike, but by practice far apart. — isomorph
Lionino         
         
Lionino         
         Agriculture requires laws, not writing — isomorph
Joshs         
         ↪L'éléphant You could easily look up that the first piece of writing in Greek predates the first in Chinese by some 200 years — Lionino
Lionino         
         The earliest examples of writing date to 7,000 BCE when Neolithic Period humans in China and elsewhere began producing glyphs and ideographics—symbols representing objects and ideas. — Joshs
Fooloso4         
         In a private conversation, Roger Ames tried to dissuade me of the notion of finding parallels between western thinking and the “classical Chinese mind.” — isomorph
...as Confucius said, “By nature we are alike, by practice we have become far apart.” — isomorph
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