We don't know anything objectively. We may believe that we do but this is a delusion. Everything we know is subjective. There are two kinds of subjective truths: — Truth Seeker
False. Some obvious examples – "We know objectively" that no individual was born before her parents were born. "We know objectively" that we are natural beings whose existence is both consistent with physical laws and inseparable from nature itself. Also "we know objectively" that we cannot in any way know at any time 'all that is knowable'.We don't know anything objectively. — Truth Seeker
We don't know anything objectively.
— Truth Seeker
False. Some obvious examples – "We know objectively" that no individual was born before her parents were born. "We know objectively" that we are natural beings whose existence is both consistent with physical laws and inseparable from nature itself. Also "we know objectively" that we cannot in any way know at any time 'all that is knowable'. — 180 Proof
We don't know anything objectively. We may believe that we do but this is a delusion. Everything we know is subjective. There are two kinds of subjective truths:
— Truth Seeker
You open by claiming that believing objective knowledge is a delusion. If all knowledge is subjective, how can you assert that objectivity is delusional? Maybe that's just your particular problem, not shared by other people.
As a rule of thumb, sweeping generalities ("we don't know anything objectively") should be viewed with suspicion. — BC
What if solipsism is true and I am the only being that actually exists — Truth Seeker
Ever since I watched the movie "The Matrix" I have been troubled by how to tell what is real and what is not. — Truth Seeker
Well I am not sure if I have persuasive or great reasons or arguments against solipsism but I must say that I nevertheless do harbor a strong belief in the existence of the external world. Do you find solipsism to be persuasive and if so, how would you argue for it? — Max2
Here's why we cannot be brains in a vat; https://iep.utm.edu/brain-in-a-vat-argument/ — jkop
Ever since I watched the movie "The Matrix" I have been troubled by how to tell what is real and what is not. — Truth Seeker
We don't know anything objectively. We may believe that we do but this is a delusion. Everything we know is subjective. — Truth Seeker
Shared subjective truths — Truth Seeker
but what I subjectively know is that my mind is in a larger world apart from my mind, so I have knowledge of objective facts.
So I don’t see why we need to assert fact 3 (no accurate connection) — Fire Ologist
You have mind one over here, and mind two over there. If they are to share anything at all between them, they need some object to share. — Fire Ologist
The denial of objectivity (mind independent reality) in itself makes all speech and thought meaningless. — Fire Ologist
But if that "subjective knowledge of objective facts," is itself not what it proclaims with the word "knowledge." (I am already with you that this is seeming like a twisted "argument," veering off course from conventional logic and reasoning. I submit that that cannot be avoided. In fact, that it cannot be avoided, coincidentally supports the very twisted argument) — ENOAH
Knowledge itself, needs first to pass the test that it is what we conventionally think it is, a revealing, discovering, uncovering of facts/data/truths. "I can only participate in it through exploration and discovery...". I currently don't believe that to be the case. — ENOAH
then we are back to having no connection possible between mind and the objective world (no.3). — ENOAH
The denial of objectivity (mind independent reality) in itself makes all speech and thought meaningless.
— Fire Ologist
Yes and that's why mind evolved such illusions as subject/object, because mind is speech. We have subject/object, and all qualities to make speech "real"; not the other way of viewing it; not subject/object must be real because we speak. — ENOAH
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