Haven't some of them been debunked? — Michael Ossipoff
There is reification here, to be sure. What is being reified are cups, tables, and kettles. The stuff that our language talks about.
If you could find that objectionable... well, it takes all sorts. — Banno
I'm deeply suspicious of the existence of universals beyond working analogies of form and function, as well as family resemblance, or historical origins in the precise same particular. — Wosret
There is a third person, which is precisely the person that isn't there — Wosret
"Quantum state" is a higher level abstraction than just an experiential cup is. "Quantum state" may be more spooky, and interesting, because it lends itself to more mystery than cups do, but I don't think that it's more real than a cup is, because it's further removed from experience than a generalized cup is. — Wosret
That the cup is in the cupboard when no one is looking, or around, or knows about it even, because the world exists independently of subjects, not that perception exists independently of perceives. — Wosret
That the cup is in the cupboard when no one is looking, or around, or knows about it even, because the world exists independently of subjects, not that perception exists independently of perceives. — Wosret
So I just don't buy that some mathematical quantification of states of the cup is somehow more real. I think that the cup on my coffee table is immensely more real than any indistinct general cup, let alone a mathematical description, at least it never can be to me, or my comprehension. Nor to anyone's. — Wosret
As I said, I doubt that anyone holds such a naive few — Wosret
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