If you think Goodness is a mirage, or else a standard you develop pragmatically, then obviously this has implications for discourse. — Count Timothy von Icarus
If both sides of the coin are different kinds of irrelevance, then the discussion is meaningless. — Paine
Is it that Wittgenstein tends to bring out these personality-types that like to gatekeep when discussing on a forum setting? — schopenhauer1
he had a tendency to use past philosophers simply as leverage for his own thought. Maybe all of these pieces of the puzzle fit together in an obvious way. Maybe he was self-absorbed. — Leontiskos
If nothing is at stake in considering differing points of view. If Wittgenstein is truly a valueless cipher, then he should be ignored. By you and me. — Paine
I would question whether this is a particularly helpful or good faith way to pose the question. — Count Timothy von Icarus
“My propositions serve as elucidations in the following way: anyone who understands me eventually recognizes them as nonsensical when he has used them — as steps — to climb beyond them. (He must, so to speak, throw away the ladder after he has climbed up it.) He must transcend these propositions, and then he will see the world aright.” ~ Wittgenstein — Fire Ologist
Hah. Seriously? I genuinely found it compelling. Again, I'm clearly a novice. Explain if you wish. Otherwise I'll keep a more critical eye out. — ENOAH
Wittgenstein answers the question. The rest of us are too busy embarassed by or ignoring the answer. — ENOAH
Agree that the OP title could have been worded more tactfully. But I see the point. — Wayfarer
I've often noticed that philosophical ideas I want to discuss are smothered by Wittgenstein's admonition the last line of the TLP, 'that of which we cannot speak'. I've been accused in the last day of 'saying things that shouldn't be said', in my (probably clumsy) attempts at understanding classical metaphysics. — Wayfarer
Witt had it right and we now have to dance around figuring out the right interpretation of the great Prophet" seems to be what's being criticized here.. Or part of it is that... — schopenhauer1
Having said that, ironically, am now inspired to look further into W. I don't know why I very quickly bypassed him in my recent pursuit. — ENOAH
And I find it interesting that "Facts" and "State of Affairs" are just taken as givens, thus stated.. As if you make your sentences stark enough, you can make statements of metaphysics that can be the exception... Because it is just a skeleton "showing" you.. duh! Unlike YOU, Wayfarer, with your overrought metaphysical constructs. Go kick rocks bud! Come back when you want to discuss the FACTS. — schopenhauer1
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