ENOAH
Tom Storm
Vera Mont
Of course it is. But nobody seems satisfied with an objective definitionIs art objectively identifiable? — ENOAH
the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power.
Vera Mont
Mind is not reality.
Mind is, at best, reality, once removed.
Art is "lower" in the "hierarchy of truth".
Art is Mind, once removed; reality, twice removed.
And yet, like Mind, art triggers reality to feel/act. — ENOAH
T Clark
American Idol: Art? — ENOAH
ENOAH
Seems like entirely different subject matter. — Vera Mont
Vera Mont
It's not. It's a representation of reality in some altered form.I am amazed that art, which is a representation of representation, — ENOAH
Not the body. Our reaction to art, or any external sensory input, is through the receptors (mainly eyes and ears) to the brain, and whatever emotional response the brain then produces may or may or may produce some physical reaction.can so profoundly affect the body to feel, — ENOAH
What does that mean?without having to have recourse to any immediate constructions. — ENOAH
It's not just art has that effect; it can be nature, speech, action in the environment. That's because the neural functions are very fast. We're not aware of how much information is received, sorted, processed, stored and transmitted by our brain in a single second.The directness, and the potency of art's affect on reality (I.e., us) moves me. — ENOAH
The show format or a specific performance? They're separate entities. Each performance by a contestant is artistic, even though the show itself is not.I must unashamedly confess, at moments, it profoundly moved me, — ENOAH
I don't understand your premise. I don't understand all that palaver about mind being unreal, etc.You must accept my premises to really appreciate it in the way I'm trying to describe. However, I respect that it is difficult to accept. — ENOAH
ENOAH
T Clark
It means that the picture, when seen by some one else or by the painter himself subsequently, produces in him (we need not ask how) sensuous-emotional or psychical experiences which, when raised from impressions to ideas by the activity of the spectator’s consciousness, are transmuted into a total imaginative experience identical with that of the painter. This experience of the spectator’s does not repeat the comparatively poor experience of a person who merely looks at the subject; it repeats the richer and more highly organized experience of a person who has not only looked at it but has painted it as well. — R.G. Collingwood
ENOAH
Outlander
Is American Idol art? — ENOAH
Christoffer
Baden
For me, unashamedly, AI has triggered not one, but from time to time, all of those direct paths to real feeling (tears, laughter, rage, fear, drive, human bonding). And that is why it is high quality art. Art Extraordinaire. — ENOAH
Vera Mont
Yes, I do. I know of no plausible alternate source for feelings.do you think addressing feelings as their neurological processes are the only correct way? — ENOAH
Representations are not 'real' in the same sense as the things being represented or the entity making the representation; however, the media in which art is physically expressed are real. The internal visualization is real to the imaginer, but does not exist in the world.Do you think that the representations generated by our brains are no less real than the neurons which generate them? — ENOAH
T Clark
Nice criteria. So it is art if the creator intended it to be; and, if it elicits a level emotion tantamount to that experienced by its creator. American Idol on the face of it is not art. — ENOAH
flannel jesus
the picture, when seen by some one else or by the painter himself subsequently, produces in him (we need not ask how) sensuous-emotional or psychical experiences which, when raised from impressions to ideas by the activity of the spectator’s consciousness, are transmuted into a total imaginative experience identical with that of the painter. — R.G. Collingwood
T Clark
I don't really like this definition particularly because of the word "identical". I'm not being pedantic, even if the above sentence were adjusted to instead say "similar to", I think it misses the mark.
When I'm looking at a painting, I don't have any pretense that how I'm experiencing it is identical to, or in any way similar to, how the painter does. I'm having a relatively unique experience, made unique by my own relationship to the subject matter and the colours and my cultural history and etc. — flannel jesus
ENOAH
Part of me wants to consider AI a hybrid artistic competition and documentary, similar to how if instead of singing it was painting. The subject matter would be art, but the TV show would remain exactly that, a TV show — Outlander
ENOAH
it makes a clear line drawn in which we can define "art" better through a definition that values "creation" over profit. — Christoffer
ENOAH
I appreciate that, even in order to be entertaining, any media has to be involving emotionally and there is an art to achieving that — Baden
Ciceronianus
ENOAH
Ok, then in my estimation, AI meets the criterion which asks if it elicits strong feeling, no?They are alternative standards. — T Clark
may make sense to think of individual performances that way. — T Clark
Baden
Does "content" like AI produce that "Sublime.?" — ENOAH
Ciceronianus
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