It’s nutty how ruthless the DNC is compared to the RNC, which couldn’t even stop a Trump. — Mikie

To be fair, Trump earned his nomination in 2016 while Biden didn't in 2024. As much as he brags about 14 million votes in the primary he was running as an incumbent against an anti-vaxxer, a hippie lady, a progressive talk show host who wasn't even born in the country, and a no-name guy named Dean Philips. He has no true base of support and because of that it's far more rational to just push him out. The RNC can't do the same with their candidate lest they piss off the cult.

It is not about "representation", a sorry concept that is never applied when whites are a minority in a country. It is about that many, perhaps millions, voted on Hillary and Obama because he/she is black/female.

What happened to Sanders during 2016 was pretty wild. Hands down he would have won, but, the Clinton's wanted it their way and look what we got... — Shawn

It is not at all clear that Bernie would have won. He is a "socialist" and this scares lots of voters. To them the qualification 'democratic' socialist does not matter. Although Clinton won the popular vote, the states in which she lost are the states that are strongly opposed to socialism.

The irony is that many of the same people who oppose socialism because they equate it with government control are if favor of autocracy. The power of the demagogue to persuade the people!

:up:

I forget how she did in the debates. It seems like it should be easy to bait and trigger Trump into a meltdown. I would just pull out all the quotes from his own cabinet members calling him incompetent. Then when he called them "RINOs" point out that he was the one who appointed them and promised to "pick the greatest people."

He even whiffed his core issue, illegal border crossings hit a 13 year high under his administration and he didn't get his party to old even one vote on migration the whole time he had the House, Senate, and Court, showing how the GOP just uses the issue for votes. Oh, and almost quadrupling government borrowing during an economic expansion.



Virtually any Democrat would have won in 2008. Bush was historically unpopular and the GOP had just overseen a military disaster and the entire economy imploding. Dems had the House handily and a super majority in the Senate, no way they lose up ticket. Obama won both his elections so handily they were called almost as soon as polls closed and almost certainly would have won handily again in 2016. Aside from Reagan, who had dementia issues, he's the only guy who could have realistically been confident in getting a third term since term limits became a thing.

Alright— I was dead wrong. — Mikie

As usual.

Are the guy that lost his mind and started punching himself in the head in their car on tik tok when Biden announced this? Same vibe from you throughout htis thread.

Top Dems threatened to forcibly remove Biden from office unless he resigned, set him up to fail at Trump debate: Sources

Operatives at the very highest levels of the Democratic Party threatened Joe Biden with forcibly removing him from office unless he stepped down, sources told The Post.

The well-orchestrated “palace coup” to stop the faltering president seeking re-election has been in place for weeks, but stubborn Biden fought against it every step of the way, a source close to the Biden family told The Post Monday.

https://nypost.com/2024/07/22/us-news/top-dems-threatened-to-remove-biden-unless-he-resigned/

Remember these pieces of shits as they deny the will of their voters.

Wow I don’t normally follow politics that much but this is big news. Are there really enough people that want Trump back in office? He already got a chance and now seems like old news.

I am talking about primaries as well. The appeal of those candidates over others (for many) was exactly that they were not white men.

Fun to watch our resident fascist cry about the will of voters— provided it’s the Democrats. Overturning an election? Hillary winning the popular vote? Silence.

Always a gold mine of cringey laughs.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/us/politics/kamala-harris-vp-pick.html

Mark Kelly or Josh Shapiro would be good choices.

Repeat Party slogans. “Overturn an election!” Literally overturns an election. “But it’s ok when we (D)o it, because when we take power, one of the biggest polluters on Earth is going to save the environment.”

Still saying Gavin Newsom. He's got higher recognition, I think, and he's been running a shadow campaign.

Literally overturns an election. — NOS4A2

What 'election' has been overturned? The votes from the primaries are not formally attached to a candidate until the Convention. It would be quite possible for a winning candidate to be injured or fall ill and so not be the final choice at the Convention. This is no different, the candidate in question has simply, and sensibly, decided to retire rather than seek another term.

And although obviously a close-run thing, I would have thought that any candidate who DID NOT try and overthrow the 2020 election would have a clear advantage.

But it’s ok when we (D)o it — NOS4A2

Exactly. Your entire political philosophy.

The rest is projection on your part.

Still saying Gavin Newsom. — Wayfarer

Care to bet? So far I’m one for two. I don’t think they’ll want two people from California, and waste a chance to make inroads with swing states. Shapiro would be a better choice. Would shore up PA, which is a must win. More electoral votes.

Contesting an election is quite common in the 21st century, but removing a presumptive nominee, forcing him to step aside, and replacing him with someone else isn’t. Do you think the primaries mean nothing? Why bother going to the booth if your vote is null and void?

Exactly. Your entire political philosophy.

Better than your fascism. The only standards you have are double standards.

Let's go California! :party:

The only standards you have are double standards. — NOS4A2

The rest is projection on your part. — Mikie

Case in point. Biggest fascist and hypocrite on the site projects yet again. No wonder Trump is your master.

Oh dear. Accusation in a mirror. All you can do is accuse others of that which you are guilty. No case in point because you can neither make a case or point. Sorry, friend.

Still saying Gavin Newsom.
— Wayfarer

Care to bet? — Mikie

No :yikes: It's only that he's always struck me as telegenic and articulate. Whoever it is, I think it's an absolutely crucial choice.

removing a presumptive nominee, forcing him to step aside, and replacing him with someone else isn’t. — NOS4A2

He wasn't removed, or threatened with the noose :rage: He was persuaded to retire rather than contest and made a principled decision in the interests of the greater good (although in my view about 6 months too late.)

I think it's utterly hilarous that Mike Johnson is threatening to sue the Democratic Party to force them to bring Biden back. They're upset over the $10million they spent on Biden attack ads and want their money back. Hilarious.

Oh, and Andy Beshear looks a good pick. Two-term Democratic governor in a Red state.

He wasn't removed, or threatened with the noose :rage: He was persuaded to retire rather than contest and made a principled decision in the interests of the greater good (although in my view about 6 months too late.)

I think it's utterly hilarous that Mike Johnson is threatening to sue the Democratic Party to force them to bring Biden back. They're upset over the $10million they spent on Biden attack ads and want their money back. Hilarious.

He was threatened with the 25th amendment if he didn’t drop out, according people close to the family. The party bosses and donors were mad he got trounced by Trump in that debate. It had everything to do with pure political power and cold hard cash, not principle, and especially not some concern for any greater good.

Some are calling it a coup. Certainly if you saw this plot play out in some corrupt foreign country you'd call it what it is. Biden hasn't been seen in five days. I heard that he called in to Kamala's rally, but his remarks were brief and he sounded cogent. It may well have been a deep fake. The technology is very good.

The last thing he said was that he is in the race to win it. Then we saw him creaking slowly up a flight of airplane stairs, and then someone posts his resignation letter on his X account, which is known to be run by staffers and not personally used by Joe. An image is flying around social media of his signature on his four recent executive actions, which do not match the signature on his letter. The letter does not bear the presidential seal. No photograph or video exists of him signing it. Then he disappeared totally for five days, officially recovering from covid.

This raises another question. If he's too sick to even have his picture taken signing a letter, is he too sick to fulfill his presidential duties. In November, 201, Biden was placed under general anesthesia fo his colonoscopy, and Kamala officially assumed presidential authority for an hour an a half or so.

If Biden is too impaired, even temporarily, to perform the duties of his office, the public has a right to know. And if he's not impaired, why haven't we even seen a still photograph of him in five days, let alone live video.

Some people online are snarkily asking for proof of life, which is what you typically demand of kidnappers to show that their hostage is still alive before you pay the random. And it's not a bad question. Where is Joe, and who is acting as president? Is he even alive? And if he is too cognitively impaired to run for president, how on earth can he continue to BE president? With two war going on? Who's in charge?

It's entirely possible that he has no idea that he's dropped out of the race. Nothing is being told to us, and the Democrats are so happy to be rid of their Biden problem they aren't asking any questions.

Kamala's got the Dems thrilled. It's very similar to her 2020 campaign launch in Oakland, California, in 2019. She drew 20,000 people and immediately became the rock star candidate. Calling Biden a racist and selling "That little girl was me" T-shirts turned out to be her high point. The next debate she got taken apart by Tulsi Gabbard, and never recovered. She dropped out in 2019, never even making it to the first primary election. She was polling badly in her home state of California.

That's Kamala. On paper she looks terrific, checks all the right boxes. The more people get to know her the less they like her. Also she has a big negative. She owns all of the Biden-Harris administration's problems. The inflation, the wars, the immigration disaster. Especially the latter, as Biden appointed her immigration czar and she was an utter failure, only managing to humiliate herself telling Lester Holt, "I've never been to Europe," when he challenged her on not going to the border. That's Kamala. She flusters and screws up when she has to go off-script under even mild pressure.

Biden was polling badly on the issues before the public saw his humiliation at the debate. It's Biden's policies the public doesn't like, and Harris owns those policies herself.

If she gets traction the Dems will go all-in behind her. If not, they'll give her the hook and trot out the next contestant. They have four weeks from today till the start of their convention.

I do congratulate the Dems for getting their act together and settling on a provisional candidate they can all live with. I can see why they don't want an open convention. Too much risk and potential chaos. Kamala's nice and safe for now. She appeals to a lot of Dems. She delivers scripted lines and speeches very well. And she can stay up past 4pm, a big upgrade from Biden.

But what did happen to Biden? The Dems propped him up for three years, then rigged their own primaries to get him nominated with only token opposition (anyone remember Dean Phillips?) and now they throw him over when he's polling badly. Reportedly Nancy Pelosi went to Joe and said he could go "the easy way or the hard way." This is the guy who got fourteen million votes in the Democratic primaries, and allegedly eighty one million in the 2020 general election. No American has ever cast a single vote for Kamala Harris for president.

I don't want to hear anyone ever again telling me that Donald Trump is a threat to Democracy. The Democratic party wouldn't know democracy if it bit them in the donkey. The back-room honchos decide what they want, and screw their own voters. 2016, 2020, and now 2024. Will the public punish the Democrats for lying to us about Biden's condition for four years and now running a coup to install a candidate chosen by the inner party and not their voters? Whether or not it ultimately succeeds, it's not democracy. It's not the will of the people.

A lot of people hate Trump and Kam has some strengths. She's got a great angle, a former DA who prosecuted sex crimes versus sexual assaulter Trump. She's strong on abortion. She will be a tough candidate if she can overcome her known issues. I'd give her a 25% chance to win. It could happen.

In other news, the condemnation of Kimberly Cheatle is savage and bipartisan after her train wreck testimony today. We still don't know how many shots were fired, what directions they came from, who killed the 20 year old. Usually when a crime occurs, the cops hold a press conference and tell us what they know. Why are we being stonewalled on the attempted assassination of Trump, not even allowed to hear the most basic facts? I caught some of the hearings this morning, it was bad. Even Dems Ro Khanna and AOC lit into her for incompetence and stonewalling.

What happened to Sanders during 2016 was pretty wild. Hands down he would have won, but, the Clinton's wanted it their way and look what we got... — Shawn

Biden made that same point the other day, noting that the same kind of Dem chicanery that they're using on him is how they ended up losing to Trump in 2016. And speaking of Joe, where is he? Hasn't been seen for five days since posting his resignation letter on an X account run by staffers, on letterhead missing the presidential seal, and bearing a signature that appears not to match his signatures on several recent executive orders.

If this happened in a corrupt foreign country it would look like a coup. Since it's happening right in front of our faces in our own country, a lot of people take it all at face value. I do not personally believe anything going on lately, from the Trump assassination attempt to Joe dropping out of the race but remaining our invisible president, is to be taken at face value.

An apt comparison, but even rabid jackals, never mind healthy ones, form 'packs' or 'tribes'. As in 'a pack of wild dogs'. Jackals are canids. — BC

Not entirely sure I caught that. Was I right or wrong to analogize the media to a pack of rabid jackals?

I'm always struck by the way the narrative turns on a dime. One day, news videos of Joe's decrepitude and senescence are cheap fakes. The next day everyone turns and stabs the guy in the back. It's ugly to watch.

The question should be, "Is he too cognitively impaired to BOTH run for president and be president?" There's a big difference between managing the job for the 5 months and managing the job for 53 more months, should he have been reelected. — BC

It's a good question if he's doing the job today. Missing in action for five days. He signs a letter dropping out of the race and he's too ill to have his picture taken. But he's perfectly fine to do his job?

I was in favor of him NOT running for another term before the famous debate. Both Biden and Trump are too old, and Trump has even more cognitive problems, particularly with the reality situation, than Biden. — BC

If the Dems had just held competitive primaries, Biden's problems would have been exposed and they'd have a younger and stronger candidate right now who was actually chosen by the Democratic voters, and not by the party insiders.

As to whether Trump or Biden are farther gone, we can agree to disagree. I will agree that Trump's lost a couple of steps from eight years ago. Look at what he's endured. Whether you think he's guilty or not, all those court cases must have taken a lot out of him.

This is not the first election where people had to hold their nose and vote for the candidate they hate a little less thanthe other one.

Kamela has more than enough on her plate successfully campaigning, never mind trying to become an experienced incumbent in just a few months. — BC

I can see your point. But I still think that incumbency is very powerful. And if Joe is in as bad shape as he appears to be, it would be better for the country and certainly better for Kamala to just 25A the guy and be done with it. Or have Nancy get Joe to resign the presidency. Report is that she told Joe he could drop out of the race "the easy way or the hard way." Nancy seems to be the one running things in the Dem party.

Some are calling it a coup. — fishfry

Some are saying the earth is flat.

Certainly if you saw this plot play out in some corrupt foreign country you'd call it what it is. — fishfry

Last I checked, the US government is still the same.

The last thing he said was that he is in the race to win it. Then we saw him creaking slowly up a flight of airplane stairs, and then someone posts his resignation letter on his X account, which is known to be run by staffers and not personally used by Joe. An image is flying around social media of his signature on his four recent executive actions, which do not match the signature on his letter. The letter does not bear the presidential seal. No photograph or video exists of him signing it. Then he disappeared totally for five days, officially recovering from covid. — fishfry

Why would it have been necessary to forge a resignation letter if he is incapacitated anyways?

If Biden is too impaired, even temporarily, to perform the duties of his office, the public has a right to know. And if he's not impaired, why haven't we even seen a still photograph of him in five days, let alone live video. — fishfry

They faked his voice but faking a still photograph is a step too far for the conspiracy? Or is this one of those conspiracies that is masterfully manipulating dozens of world leaders but leaves easily traceable evidence for random guys on the internet to find?

But what did happen to Biden? — fishfry

Old age.

This is the guy who got fourteen million votes in the Democratic primaries, and allegedly eighty one million in the 2020 general election. — fishfry

Oh so you believe the numbers that fit your view but the ones that do not are only "alleged"?

I don't want to hear anyone telling me that Donald Trump is a threat to Democracy again. — fishfry

Donald Trump is a threat to democracy.

The back-room party honchos decide what they want, and screw their own voters. — fishfry

Ok so the democrats rigged the primaries to get Biden the nomination, but also these primaries are now the legitimate will of the voters? That's having your cake and eating it.

I can see your point. But I still think that incumbency is very powerful. And if Joe is in as bad shape as he appears to be, it would be better for the country and certainly better for Kamala to just 25A the guy and be done with it. — fishfry

What difference does it make to the country? The net result is the same.

I'm not a member of the Democratic Party and I never have been.

I do not care one bit whether or not the party organization or its nominating primary process is democratic.

I only care that the Democratic Party is as ruthless, disciplined and united going forward to victory in Roevember 2024 as it was in 2020.

I don't care how they engineered ("forced" "bullied") POTUS to step aside ("palace coup"?) so long as the outcome is a candidate to replace him who can curb stomp The MAGA Cult Clown to Electoral College defeat in just over a hundred days.

In the UK, the Tories were just given their worse electoral beating in two centuries. In France, the right-wingnut populists were defeated by a concerted unity of centrist and leftist parties. The US Democratic Party with moderate independents and "Never Trump" suburban college-educated Republicans together, can do the same thoroughly rejecting the neofascist MAGA-GOP again just like 2020.

THIS ELECTION IS NOW ABOUT TRUMP, LIKE 2020, AND NO LONGER ABOUT BIDEN. :clap:

VPOTUS Harris isn't my first choice by a long shot, but I am confident that with a well-funded, united coalition and superior ground game (especially in the SWING STATES), aided and abetted by the deranged, angry-whining babbling bilge of bullshit The MAGA Cult Clown will continue to senilely spew and sputter this fall after Labor Day when the other 80% of the potental electorate will finally be paying attention, VP Harris (or whomever the nominee is) will win the 2024 election. Civil unrest by MAGA brownshirts & GOP shitheads notwithstanding. :fire: :mask:

Roevember is coming! :victory:

Biggest fascist and hypocrite on the site projects yet again. — Mikie

All I can do is accuse others of that which I am guilty. — NOS4A2

Exactly right. Good empathetic listening.

It may well have been a deep fake. — fishfry

:lol:

I love watching the right wing loons go even more crazy over this. Fantastic.

I knew it. Power at all costs. That’s the guiding principle. Fascism 101.

:sweat: More fatuously hypocritcal projection. I love it, dude.