What are your thoughts? — Igitur
What are your thoughts? — Igitur
Modern affairs and lived experience are telling me that people are broadly still sheep that need herding. — Lionino
What are your thoughts? — Igitur
but why not select bits and pieces in one's pursuit of truth. — ENOAH
Religion is like opium. People take it to keep from curling up in a ball on the floor in the face of adversity like the death of a child. The main threat to religion is good healthcare. So if you look out and find people living with little to no safety net, more religion is on the way. — frank
Long-lived religious traditions are perhaps the most pronounced form of collective wisdom available to humans — Leontiskos
I guess the idea here would be to find truths that fit you, not a particular religion? — Igitur
The main threat to religion is good healthcare. — frank
It is probably the other way around. The main threat to good healthcare is the lack of religion. If you are not motivated, if you are depressed, if you are in fact in your own mind already a lost case, the best healthcare in the world won't make a difference. The doctor will simply say, "The patient is not fighting. He has given up already." You need motivation to succeed. You need it even when trying to get better. Good healthcare is simply wasted on people who actually don't want to live. — Tarskian
Saying nonsense again, aren't we? — Lionino
https://www.psychiatrist.com/pcc/dealing-with-a-patient-who-has-given-up/
Psychotherapy Casebook
Dealing With a Patient Who Has Given Up
He sees no purpose in getting treatment for cancer and has declined chemotherapy. He thinks about the future and sees little that encourages him. When he gets these discouraging thoughts, he often dwells on them and sometimes extends them.
I have told him that this is usually not a winning strategy. We all get thoughts, but some of us are able to divert our thinking in a direction that is more reasonable. I suggested that he try to do this.
We made another appointment to meet and talk in 2 weeks. It is his right to decline treatment for a major medical problem. I have no right to impose a strategy on him. Perhaps the power inherent in establishing a relationship will result in his forming a reason for living.
I agree you need people trained the right way before encouraging them to heed the motto. But given the number of academics who seem remarkably unenlightened, perhaps it is not normal academic education that is required.They realized that the call to "sapere aude" was premature, and required a more educated populus before it would be able to be implemented. — Leontiskos
Can you back that up, with a proper study. I simply don't believe it. The main threat to good healthcare is lack of money and education.The main threat to good healthcare is the lack of religion. — Tarskian
It is true that there are powerful psychological effects that can help medical treatment. But the idea that it is all a matter of grit and determination and will-power is bunkum. It's more complicated than that, and not well understood. Some doctors may make that remark to the punters, but they know better. it is just an excuse to avoid getting sued. If your doctor tries it on with you, I recommend you find another doctor - fast.The doctor will simply say, "The patient is not fighting. He has given up already." — Tarskian
Well, then, why not just offer them a merciful end instead of forcing them to endure the disease pointlessly?Good healthcare is simply wasted on people who actually don't want to live. — Tarskian
It may be, of course, that the point of religion is not whether it is true or false, but whether it enables a good (eudaimon) life, or at least a life as good as it can be in the circumstances.For testing religions for truth. For following a religious path at all. I was just listing some benefits of this. — Igitur
https://www.webmd.com/balance/how-spirituality-affects-mental-health
How Spirituality Affects Mental Health
The idea of spirituality means different things for different people. The variety of spiritual beliefs and customs are as varied as the people who practice them. One thing they all have in common is the range of effects they can have on our mental health.
Spirituality can help you deal with stress by giving you a sense of peace, purpose, and forgiveness. It often becomes more important in times of emotional stress or illness.
You may feel a higher sense of purpose, peace, hope, and meaning.
Mental health disorders may be treated with the help of spirituality ...
Mental issues like depression and substance abuse can be a sign of a spiritual void in your life.
https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/how-does-mental-health-affect-physical-health
Your mental health plays a huge role in your general well-being. Being in a good mental state can keep you healthy and help prevent serious health conditions. A study found that positive psychological well-being can reduce the risks of heart attacks and strokes.
Mental health conditions can also make dealing with a chronic illness more difficult. The mortality rate from cancer and heart disease is higher among people with depression or other mental health conditions.
I agree you need people trained the right way before encouraging them to heed the motto. But given the number of academics who seem remarkably unenlightened, perhaps it is not normal academic education that is required. — Ludwig V
That's better. It does not blame the patient and makes more modest claims. However, I would distinguish sharply between "spirituality" and mental health. They are far from synonymous and both are distinct from religious belief. Can the doctor sensibly advise patients to believe in a religion or some form of spirituality in order to get better faster? I don't think so. So this advice is a bit like advice to make sure one has inherited a good set of genes in order to get better.Spirituality can help you deal with stress by giving you a sense of peace, purpose, and forgiveness. It often becomes more important in times of emotional stress or illness.
You may feel a higher sense of purpose, peace, hope, and meaning.
Mental health disorders may be treated with the help of spirituality ...
Mental issues like depression and substance abuse can be a sign of a spiritual void in your life.
Your mental health plays a huge role in your general well-being. Being in a good mental state can keep you healthy and help prevent serious health conditions. A study found that positive psychological l well-being can reduce the risks of heart attacks and strokes.
Mental health conditions can also make dealing with a chronic illness more difficult. The mortality rate from cancer and heart disease is higher among people with depression or other mental health conditions. — webmed.com
That's something we can agree on.I also don't think that it is possible to objectively measure faith, hope, or the will to survive. So, I do not trust any figures on the subject. — Tarskian
I agree with almost all of that. The mythic image of the hero in solitary confrontation with the oppressive dead hand of the past is seriously damaging.True, but what I would ultimately say is that sapere aude is a dead end. It is premised on the false idea that individuals have wisdom/knowledge independent of and even in opposition to traditions. On my view human progress will happen through traditions or not at all. Individuals thinking for themselves will not achieve collective progress.* Collective progress will only occur when individuals act and think cooperatively, and this is not a bad definition of tradition. (I.e. we could think of tradition as cooperative engagement with those who came before us, and thereby with those around us.) — Leontiskos
I agree you need people trained the right way before encouraging them to heed the motto. But given the number of academics who seem remarkably unenlightened, perhaps it is not normal academic education that is required. — Ludwig V
Well, I agree that people who intend to write stuff for publishing should learn how to write - and I don't mean just inscribing letters on paper. That's should be expected in addition to academic expertise. I don't know about the Aufklarer, specifically whether they thought that Enlightenment was for everyone. But if they did - and I hope they did - then there is a question how much academic education they expected the person in the street to acquire.Though academic education is not enough, it is definitely necessary. There are too many academics, especially in the biological sciences, who don't even know how to write properly. I wouldn't call them scientists however, merely researchers or heuretics. — Lionino
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