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Policy ought to be a big part of it, but it doesn't capture everything. Better: we predict a future that is entailed by each candidate, and choose the candidate that we believe will deliver the better future.

Luckily the past can give us a hint. Both were heavily involved in past and current administrations. No predictions required.

Luckily the past can give us a hint. Both were heavily involved in past and current administrations. No predictions required. — NOS4A2

Give us a hint on what? The future? Then you are essentially making a vague, general prediction of the future.

Their record. If given power, what will they do? Harris has been vice president for the past three years and I can not name one thing she has done, for instance. If she wants to enact price controls, give 25000 to first time home-buyers, why hasn’t she done so?

...why hasn’t she done so? — NOS4A2

That's political nonsense. You know as well as I that a VP doesn't have the power to implement policy. For that matter, there are limits to what a President can do.

I wasn't trying to debate policies or candidates, I just wanted to point out that it may, or may not, make sense to assume policy-promises are likely to become policy. For example, executive orders are easy, but transient; laws are long term, but need 60 votes in the Senate. Willingness to compromise matters, and you can have a positive or negative view of that.

You have a disinterest because you were wrong and are unwilling to admit it. That's called not being able to have a conversation. — Benkei

Maureen Dowd, the queen of the liberal chattering class, sets you straight on this point.

Her opinion column in tomorrow's Sunday New York Times on the eve of the Democratic convention:

The Dems Are Delighted. But a Coup Is Still a Coup

Top Democrats are bristling with resentments even as they are about to try to put on a united front at the United Center in the Windy City.

A coterie of powerful Democrats maneuvered behind the scenes to push an incumbent president out of the race.

It wasn’t exactly “Julius Caesar” in Rehoboth Beach. But it was a tectonic shift and, of course, there were going to be serious reverberations. Even though it was the right thing to do, because Joe Biden was not going to be able to campaign, much less serve as president for another four years, in a fully vital way, it was a jaw-dropping putsch. — MoDo

Not every day that Maureen Dowd makes my point for me.

and she's still wrong for the reasons and arguments I gave you that you never engaged. And you're doing the same spiel again, by offering someone else's opinion devoid of the context of my arguments and pretend it's some kind of rebuttal. Learn how a discussion works!

and she's still wrong for the reasons and arguments I gave you that you never engaged. And you're doing the same spiel again, by offering someone else's opinion devoid of the context of my arguments and pretend it's some kind of rebuttal. Learn how a discussion works! — Benkei

I did not engage with your arguments for the same reason I don't engage with flat earthers.

It's perfectly well known that Biden was pressured and shoved out. It's not rationally possible to argue the contrary. I get that you're sincere, but so are the flat earthers. Since we talked a week ago, stories have come out about Biden's seething resentment at the way he was treated. Here's one such.

Biden admits he was pushed out of presidential race, name-drops Pelosi in first interview since exit


It's simply not possible to look at the facts -- Biden was in it all the way on Saturday, then they announce he's got covid, then on Sunday a letter comes out under a forged mechanical signature without any of the standard official notices of withdrawal as required by the FEC.

You just can't spin this any other way than hardball political pressure from the Dem insiders. I absolutely do not understand how you can even pretend otherwise. To be honest I don't recall you making any rational arguments.

I did think it was amusing that MoDo spent her Sunday column the day before the Dem convention to make the point that it was a coup.

But if you want to think Joe Biden woke up on Sunday morning and dictated and signed the letter of his own free will ... you are entitled to your opinion. It is just too silly and unsupportable an opinion to be worth much in the way of discussion.

Maybe when she sits for an actual interview — Mr Bee

Haha. Good one Mr. Bee. When do you think that will happen? It's her official campaign strategy to never say an unscripted word. We all know what happens when Kam goes off script.

Price controls. Of all the hare-brained schemes. Even WaPo and CNN are against the idea. Price controls inevitably create shortages and bread lines. Nixon's price controls failed. Price controls always fail. They constrain supply and increase demand. Exactly the opposite of what you want.

Well 100,000 Antifa goons and Hamas-loving maniacs are planning to exercise their free speech rights in Chicago. The store owners are boarding up the windows just in case. "The whole world's watching" as they chanted in '68.

The one is the extremist of the rich and evangelicals, the other the extremist of the poor and identity politics. — Eros1982

The Democrats are now the party of the rich. The GOP are now the party of the working class. Exact opposite of how it used to be.

I did not engage with your arguments for the same reason I don't engage with flat earthers. — fishfry

:rofl: sure buddy. Keep telling yourself that. I suppose a high level of delusion is necessary to be a Trump supporter.

The Democrats are now the party of the rich. The GOP are now the party of the working class. Exact opposite of how it used to be. — fishfry

This is also funny.

Price controls. Of all the hare-brained schemes. Even WaPo and CNN are against the idea. Price controls inevitably create shortages and bread lines. Nixon's price controls failed. Price controls always fail. They constrain supply and increase demand. Exactly the opposite of what you want. — fishfry

Politically it will probably work out for her because of how uninformed voters are which is what I suspect her play here is. Say what you want about how viable her policies are but polling does show that people blame corporate price gouging for alot of the inflation and they want the government to do something:



Populism sells and when people see the "experts" at CNN and WaPo balk at these ideas and you have folks like Larry Kudlow on Fox saying that corporate greed is a myth they just see the establishment defending the status quo. I mean if CNN is gonna bring on people like this:

When prices are high, in most cases, the best policy action in response is actually taking no action, Roberts, the chair of Weber State University’s economics department, told CNN.

That would cause consumers who are deterred by, say, high prices of beef, to instead purchase another type of meat or protein. That helps keep beef on the grocery store shelves for people who want it enough to pay the higher prices.

It's hard to see them as not being out of touch with the concerns of consumers. I'm not saying they're wrong but if you're worried about the price of beef this week then that's the last thing you want to hear.

The same goes for her housing policy where first time homebuyers will probably be more excited about direct subsidies over building more housing (though Harris says she's doing both). Remember your average voter doesn't understand the difference between cooling inflation and deflation (what they would call an actual decrease in prices) and still needs to be lectured on how marginal tax rates work. At the end of the day none of these policies will get implemented simply because of how dysfunctional congress is but like her adopting Trump's stance on tips and one upping Vance's $5000 CTC idea with a $6000 CTC, Harris is trying to win an election by promising alot of nice things. Same for Trump too, to be honest. It's all about the vibes.

Price controls are an excellent idea. Harris keeps surprising me. If she keeps this up, she’ll win easily. The fact that every moronic armchair political analyst and both CNN and Fox News are screaming against it — are all great signs that she’s on the right track.

:up: Yeah, but the devil's in the policy details ...

Executive orders are interesting. I don’t think they’re so transient when it comes to the institution of government itself. They can direct the executive agencies and the military, for example.

Fair points.

Is anyone (with the exception of the MAGA cult) foolish enough to take what a politician says at face-value? — praxis

Have you been reading this and the Trump thread? Not only are mainly democrats partial to this thinking, its a pick-and-choose situation. Though, remove the partisan remark - and just the question - and my incredulity remains :P

If Kamala wins that will happen only because many Americans hate Trump. In other circumstances she would have been the worst choice for the democrats. In conclusion, whoever wins the only sure thing is that this country will become more divided. — Eros1982

True. And true for both - Trump would normally be one of the worst Republican candidates. Its just the conflict aspect that has him preferred (and, possibly not preferred, just a better choice that Harris to many Reps). Neither had a shot in hell of being a Good President™

Have you been reading this and the Trump thread? Not only are mainly democrats partial to this thinking, its a pick-and-choose situation. — AmadeusD

Show instances of this in this or the Trump thread.

Well, the House GOP finally released their impeachment report regarding Joe Briben and his crime family, outlining several impeachable offenses. It’s pretty damning stuff which we’ve all known about for years, but too little too late.

https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/2024.08.19-Report-of-the-Impeachment-Inquiry-of-Joseph-R.-Biden-Jr.-President-of-the-United-States.pdf

I saw they uncritically copied a meme despite overwhelming evidence everybody wanted Shokin gone irrespective of whatever Burisma investigation that may have been going on and stopped reading since it's bullshit.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/eu-hails-sacking-of-ukraine-s-prosecutor-viktor-shokin-1.2591190

Figures. It contradicts what I believe so I better stop reading it.

Yes, that's precisely the difference between you and me, I stop reading when it contradicts evidence, you stop reading when it contradicts your dumb ideas. Spot on.

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19August24


Harris-Walz 2024 :point: taking out the tr45h!

Roevember is coming. :victory: :cool:

Above.

What are you talking about? :brow: Steve Schmidt is a thirty-year Republican and a political and corporate strategist. He is best known for working on Republican political campaigns, including those of President George W. Bush, California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Arizona Senator John McCain during his 2008 presidential campaign.

Hmmm, what would that have to do with what I've said? The claim is, roughly: Whether or not one takes the media seriously is based on whether it supports their current pet point-to-be-made".
The source is irrelevant unless you want to talk about bias in picking one's sources (even more obvious there, in the main as Ground News shows with statistical analysis of most articles it posts as to who is publishing/reading those stories/takes).

Are you suggesting that this doesn't happen in general? I have given an example (which more starkly illustrates this, as the source doesn't align, but the content does, with expectation).

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This seems a fairly obvious phenomena no? I'm not using this to impugn anyone in particular.

We’re not communicating for some reason.

DNC Convention. Boring, but Dems have bigger stars than the Republicans — and the Repubs hate that. Trump most of all— hence the endless talk about crowd size and fantasizing about a Taylor Swift endorsement (she’ll endorse Harris).

Dems have Swift and Beyonce — GOP have Hulk Hogan and Chachi. There’s a drop-off here.

I don't agree it's boring. I've beeing watching on and off, and some of it has been scintillating. Biden is just wrapping up, and he's given a powerful and poignant speech. It was also a great send-off, not at all mawkish or regretful. More strength to the Democrats.

Where do the whites go?