Your failure to make an argument proves you wrong — flannel jesus
Anyway, Mormons aren't Christian, the only ones who think so are Mormons — Lionino
From a self-identification and core belief standpoint, Mormons are Christians because they center their faith on Jesus Christ and His teachings. However, differences in doctrine, additional scriptures, and unique beliefs have led some other Christian denominations to question or reject Mormonism as part of traditional Christianity. The debate largely hinges on theological differences and the definition of what it means to be "Christian."
The Book of Mormon repeatedly emphasizes that Jesus Christ is the Savior and Redeemer of the world. It teaches that through His Atonement, all people can be forgiven of their sins if they repent and follow Him. One of the most well-known verses, 2 Nephi 25:26, states, "And we talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we preach of Christ, we prophesy of Christ, and we write according to our prophecies, that our children may know to what source they may look for a remission of their sins." — ChatGPT
The debate largely hinges on theological differences and the definition of what it means to be "Christian." — ChatGPT
Alternatively, we could go with Nietzsche's observation to further appease everyone: "There was only one Christian and he died on the cross." — Nils Loc
Thinking of Jesus as just a man like anybody else makes you nothing because that is not a particular belief or worldview. To be Christian, you need to believe that Jesus Christ is divine and died for us. Mormons aren't Christian, neither are Kardecists.
Yes, I am being restrictive. Words have meaning. — Lionino
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christology
In Christianity, Christology[a] is a branch of theology that concerns Jesus. Different denominations have different opinions on questions such as whether Jesus was human, divine, or both, and as a messiah what his role would be in the freeing of the Jewish people from foreign rulers or in the prophesied Kingdom of God, and in the salvation from what would otherwise be the consequences of sin.[1][2][3][4][5]
From the second to the fifth centuries, the relation of the human and divine nature of Christ was a major focus of debates in the early church and at the first seven ecumenical councils. The Council of Chalcedon in 451 issued a formulation of the hypostatic union of the two natures of Christ, one human and one divine, "united with neither confusion nor division".[6] Most of the major branches of Western Christianity and Eastern Orthodoxy subscribe to this formulation,[6][7] while many branches of Oriental Orthodox Churches reject it,[8][9][10] subscribing to miaphysitism.
Make a choice and explain why.
1. This is ridiculous. Christianity IS true and that’s all there is to it. I’m not doing this silly thought experiment. Count me out. (No further explanation needed.)
2. I would become an atheist.
3. I would search for a God that isn’t false.
4. None of the above. I would do something else.
Well, as sketched above, my path had been from 4 through 3 to 2. :halo: — 180 Proof
Yes, like the plot device of "Manwë" in The Silmarillion (or "Sauron" in LotR). :smirk:God is already there is Scripture. — BitconnectCarlos
By a quick count you have more than half the responses on this thread.Not a Christian so I won't answer. — Lionino
This seems right. And I'd like to think it was evolving, but the sheer inertia of that thought also impedes its own movement, which means its ground changes even if the words don't. But it leaves the question to you, for you to reconcile. You, and others, seem to feel that affirmation of the supernatural as a fact is a sine qua non of Christianity (which in fact is not and never was true - the creed is, "We believe..."). If so, then what matter the "centuries of sophisticated and curated thought"?. The latter has centuries of sophisticated and curated thought building its tradition, — Lionino
Anyway, Mormons aren't Christian, the only ones who think so are Mormons. — Lionino
I hope you don't expect people on a philosophy forum to just accept your word for it without coherent arguments. — flannel jesus
It is true that only Mormons think Mormons are Christian — Leontiskos
That is decidedly untrue. All I have to do is find one non-mormon who thinks mormonism is a christian religion, and it's untrue. That's a pretty easy bar to pass. — flannel jesus
You, and others, seem to feel that affirmation of the supernatural as a fact is a sine qua non of Christianity (which in fact is not and never was true - the creed is, "We believe..."). — tim wood
Affirmation as a fact.. I can affirm all kinds of things - and what would that mean? To affirm them as facts, then, would make them different, in all contexts where the difference would matter.Or are you under the impression that belief and affirmation are altogether distinct? — Leontiskos
if that's NOT the litmus test, then you don't mean the words you said — flannel jesus
Affirmation as a fact.. I can affirm all kinds of things - and what would that mean? To affirm them as facts, then, would make them different, in all contexts where the difference would matter. — tim wood
so what do you mean? — flannel jesus
Now the only Church leader who will say, "Oh okay, I agree that you are already Christian and require no baptism or initiation before joining our community," would be a Mormon leader. So you can go on claiming that Mormons are Christians, so long as it is admitted that 99% of Christians disagree with you. — Leontiskos
At the least they thought to couch their creed explicitly in terms of belief and not of mere fact. Which only a little thought will show and demonstrate their wisdom. With beliefs you don't have to worry too much about predicates or predication, which are fatal if applied to any idea of God. — tim wood
As to being the first, it's merely a matter of recognizing that a belief and knowledge of a fact are different things, though possibly sharing some overlap. — tim wood
I can't say I have spent a lot of time in Unitarian Universalist Churches, but I wouldn't be surprised if a large percentage of UU leaders would be untroubled by such a claim by a Mormon. — wonderer1
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