Why isn't our purpose as living things to serve the motion of lifeless matter? — Πετροκότσυφας
When you focus right down to it, every single behavior and action conducted by not only humans but all living things can be sourced right down to a mechanism just to sustain the continuation of life. — ThinkingMatt
I agree with Thorongil.This is demonstrably false. There are probably an infinite number of human actions that are not conducive to living. Just stop and think about it for a moment. Human beings are a rather risky species of animal. — Thorongil
Play. Prayer. Art. Music. Beauty. God. Nobility.What's an example? — ThinkingMatt
>:O >:OLife is just a particular configuration of matter, so all there is matter and its motion. The "purpose" of life is not to sustain itself, it's to sustain motion the motion of matter. — Πετροκότσυφας
Play. Prayer. Art. Music. Beauty. God. Nobility. — Agustino
I most often play by myself. And I certainly don't "learn to reproduce" by playing the piano for example. Nor does it make me prosperous. Really, if being propserous was my goal, I should never touch the piano again, since it's wasting my time and keeping me away from activities that earn money. But to the contrary - I want to be propserous so that I can play the piano in freedom, without being disturbed by the need to work. Most of us separate our passions from our work.Play - is a mechanism (1) to learn (2) to reinforce and build social relationships - both are advantageous in terms of creating properous survival/ life. — ThinkingMatt
Absolutely not true.Prayer - purpose of praying (1) to ensure a good relationship with god out of a fear that death will be painful. — ThinkingMatt
He has control anyway, whether I pray or not.Having a good relationship with god is based on the premis that he has control over whether you live or die. — ThinkingMatt
Wrong. Job was a righteous man, highly virtuous, and God still allowed him to lose everything and suffer greatly. He was not spared, but quite the contrary.Having a good relationship with god hypothetically insinuates he will choose to either keep you alive (survival) or bring no pain with your death which is what we fear (perhaps ideas with endless pain in hell as well). — ThinkingMatt
No, I'd rather prefer if you put an end to the BS actually... ;)... I can keep going Agustino — ThinkingMatt
Life is just a particular configuration of matter, so all there is matter and its motion. The "purpose" of life is not to sustain itself, it's to sustain motion the motion of matter. — Πετροκότσυφας
Okay here's what will happen. Regardless of what purpose we tell you that life has (call it X), you'll ask "Why do we need to do X? What are we doing it for?". If it's the purpose of life, then there is no further purpose to account for it - that's precisely what makes it the purpose of life.Fair statement - it essentially substitutes the contention that the purpose of life is continuing the cycle of life (reproduction). Though still leaves us questioning the purpose of why we need the continuation of life (reproduction) to happen. Or in your context, what the purpose of continuing motion is. — ThinkingMatt
Logic can neither be proved nor disproved. It suffices that I point to the fact that you have no reason for questioning a final purpose based on asking what its own purpose is, for there cannot be an infinite regress of purposes in the first place. So your expectations that there will be a purpose to a final purpose is silly.that's your job - by being able to disprove my logic with your own ahahah — ThinkingMatt
Well, no. You gotta choose. You can't have both. Once you have done that, we can go on. — Πετροκότσυφας
So your expectations that there will be a purpose to a final purpose is silly. — Agustino
I think an intriguing point about all of this is that now evolutionary biology has been accepted as the kind of secular/scientific equivalent of 'a creation myth', that it carries with it many often unstated connotations and assumptions. — Wayfarer
Okay for the sake of the discussion let's say the purpose of life is the continuation of motion. Why does the continuation of motion need to occur? — ThinkingMatt
How are you going to recognise that the origin is the origin if you'll keep asking what's the purpose what's the purpose to everything that is said to you? What's your criteria for recognising that origin?Is it though? Or is it a logical sequence of steps to find the origin or absolute beginning? Logically everything must start from one point. Unless you believe in closed loop paradoxes. Where the begging of syestem is started by the ending of the same system which makes it circular. — ThinkingMatt
It needs to occur so that motion can continue. — Πετροκότσυφας
Motion is creation of something new — Rich
Logically everything must start from one point. Unless you believe in closed loop paradoxes. Where the begging of syestem is started by the ending of the same system which makes it circular. — ThinkingMatt
How are you going to recognise that the origin is the origin if you'll keep asking what's the purpose what's the purpose to everything that is said to you? What's your criteria for recognising that origin? — Agustino
If you cannot provide a means to identify it, then we'll have to treat it as impossible, in which case it's time to dismiss your concerns as children's play. You were merely trolling us afterall.Fair statement - essentially when you can not derive any further. Which as you stated is difficult or impossible to identify. — ThinkingMatt
Nope, because we've already defined continuation of motion as the purpose of everything (life being just a part of everything). — Πετροκότσυφας
Logically everything must start from one point. Unless you believe in closed loop paradoxes. Where the begging of syestem is started by the ending of the same system which makes it circular. — ThinkingMatt
If you cannot provide a means to identify it, then we'll have to treat it as impossible, in which case it's time to dismiss your concerns as children's play. You were merely trolling us afterall. — Agustino
Here one must become spiritual. The Daoist simply say the beginning is the Dao that spirals (not circles) into a wave of creative energy. This would be the equivalent of Bergson's Elan vital. — Rich
Was the purpose of this thread to identify the logical status of infinite regresses? — Πετροκότσυφας
Proving that the Earth is "round" (ie spherical) is an empirical matter. Proving that an argument is circular is a logical matter. The two aren't proved in the same manner.Though if you agree it's circular (as in its begging ist started by its own end) then it is theoretically possiable to prove. — ThinkingMatt
Proving that the Earth is "round" (ie spherical) is an empirical matter. Proving that an argument is circular is a logical matter. The two aren't proved in the same manner. — Agustino
:s I don't remember we were discussing whether the universe has a spatial or temporal end or not...If you were to conduct the same experiment in terms of the universe you would have to travel in the same linear direction in time (like we are) until you reach the end of existence of the universe or time and space and see if ends completely or in Ferdinand Magellan and Juan Sebastián case you arrive back where you started. Whether humans can come up with a way of surviving this experiment is another question. — ThinkingMatt
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