Of course they would. The antisocial greedbags know perfectly well that they are unfair to the the other people. When the society is organized badly, one class of antisocial greedbag is labelled 'criminal' and punished for that behaviour, while another class of antisocial greedbag is labelled 'the privileged' and allowed to get away with it. A well organized society doesn't accept antisocial behaviour from any of its members and trains its young to avoid and resist such behaviour.How do you think that would actually go down? Do you believe everyone would see this as fair and just? — I like sushi
We would have to wonder what's wrong with them. I've met some people who had given up on "the job market" or become fed up with being exploited and disrespected; I've met many, many people who did not like the jobs they had to take to support themselves and dependents, or that they had wanted once and found disappointing over time (as well as many who chose, prepared for and love what they're working at), but nobody who didn't have any aspirations or proclivities at all. Some may want to make music or tinker with inventions rather than build houses or harvest wheat, and they would have the same resources and opportunities as those who like teaching or healing, because society benefits from creative individuals, as it does from productive and nurturing ones.What about if there are people who do not want to work or do anything. — I like sushi
Part 1. The only reason people need to work as hard as they do is produce surplus. Surplus for profit, for waste, for war, for the care and feeding and protection of top level users. Scrape off the excess consumption of the top 1%; get rid of all the money-handling, -hiding, -laundering, -lending, -litigating and -shuffling occupations; reduce coercive capability to policing (considerably less of that, if they're not having to deal with monetary crime) and peace-keeping (voluntary civilian militia is quite adequate) and you're down to less than half the work, or a 4-hour workday with time off for special family occasions.Do you really think there would be no resentment by those working hard everyday and getting basically the same as those not working hard or is it that you think those in change of businesses will simply pay people more in order to gain employees? — I like sushi
There are effective cures for hiccups.Will this all just magically balance out in your mind without any hiccups? — I like sushi
Yet once more again: No government that exists or can exist today, or has existed at any time since the rise of city-states, can possibly implement this scheme. The best they can do - and that by a hard slog against determined opposition, even from the people it would most benefit - is introduce minor local improvements. Under the current global system with its entrenched rules, procedures and assumptions, no major change can be made to the structural or economic organization of any society.Other than to say some people are greedy and so they should be forced to give up their wealth I am not really seeing much follow through with how you expect this would go smoothly or otherwise if governments implemented this scheme. — I like sushi
The only reason people need to work as hard as they do is produce surplus. — Vera Mont
... against determined opposition, even from the people it would most benefit... You still can't get there from here, except by climbing over a mountain of rubble. — Vera Mont
The best they can do ... is introduce minor local improvements. Under the current global system with its entrenched rules, procedures and assumptions, no major change can be made to the structural or economic organization of any society. — Vera Mont
Where does Goldman Sachs' annual profit come from?I work fairly hard at my job and study hard too. This idea of 'surplus' sounds like a Marxist ideology rearing its head? — I like sushi
No, I can't; I see a bloody great pit to fall into, and a long slow painful climb out again.Surely you can see the problem with these kinds of views and a slippery slope — I like sushi
For the few years or decades they stay in effect, before the next reactionary administration or regime overturns them. See US Supreme Court decisions on voting rights and reproductive rights.I think it can be quite surprising how minor changes can have a huge impact. — I like sushi
I have no revolutionary schemes.The biggest problem with revolutionary schemes is that they are large in scope. — I like sushi
Where does Goldman Sachs' annual profit come from? — Vera Mont
The only reason people need to work as hard as they do is produce surplus.
— Vera Mont
This is simply wrong. Unless you are making a clear distinction between 'work people enjoy' as 'non-work' and 'work people don't enjoy' as 'work'. I work fairly hard at my job and study hard too. This idea of 'surplus' sounds like a Marxist ideology rearing its head? — I like sushi
No, I can't; I see a bloody great pit to fall into, and a long slow painful climb out again. — Vera Mont
For the few years or decades they stay in effect, before the next reactionary administration or regime overturns them. See US Supreme Court decisions on voting rights and reproductive rights. — Vera Mont
I have no revolutionary schemes. — Vera Mont
That should be obvious from the definition of profit.What has that got to do with: — I like sushi
I can only report what I see. I do not a see a 'slippery slope', which would suggest a soft landing.And how is this not a fatalistic attitude? — I like sushi
I don't think that will be necessary. I have nothing to add or subtract.If you want to back track over the past couple of exchanges and remedy it I will continue. — I like sushi
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