It's funny how in the upside-down world of 'Murica, that's meant to be an insult — Baden

Because many Americans have no clue. They are capable of holding unshakable certainty about some things, despite the fact that they know nothing about them. The "common good" and "what's best for the overwhelming majority" can often offset the kneejerk emotional reaction to "socialism" and "socialist".

Those who deny Trump's causal role in inciting the riot/insurrection attempt on Jan. 6th will be forced to contradict themselves if they want to (falsely)blame Kamala's words for any assassination attempts.

Here's a suggestion for Kamala's detractors: rather than falsely pin her to an ideology that suggests she actually believes in something, point out the fact that she has no solid policies at all, that e.g. her website is a bunch of gobbledeygook, a Rorshach blot of cliches designed so that any vague bullshit can be read into it. She is horribly and fatally scared of committing herself to anything other than being Not Trump and her ultimate faith is in the stupidity of the opposition in not realizing and exploiting that, but rather focusing on easily rebutted insults that harm their sources more than her. She was laughing at the debate and she'll laugh her way right into the presidency if the dummies on the other side keep going the way their going. — Baden

I actually watched their debate. My purpose was to find out if Trump was really crazy as the media portray. I did not find him crazy. What I found is someone who is willing to ask the hard questions. I didn't expect either one to have a complete vision of a government given the 90 minute format of the debate. That would be ridiculous. But, my god, Harris was scared to say anything with conviction. She loved teasing Trump. And she failed to answer the first question thrown at her by the moderators. Nothing in the way of conviction about reality. I would say it is cowardice.

I did not find him crazy. — L'éléphant

Eating dogs and cats, and after birth abortion isn’t cray cray where you’re from?

I did not find him [Trump] crazy.
— L'éléphant

Eating dogs and cats, and after birth abortion isn’t cray cray where you’re from? — praxis

We can only hope L'éléphant is not a voting-age US citizen. :mask:

Unless, of course, the speaker is one of the vanguards pointing this situation out. — Paine

You're one of 'them' aren't you!

Chaos is an emergent property of any complex system and we're already complex at an individual level (consistency is impossible and we barely cling onto rationality) let alone when interacting with each other. Even where 95% of people are fundamentally decent people, it will still descent into chaos as a result with certain people only to keen to capitalise on it.

"All is chaos under the heavens - times are excellent." - Mao

No, I think people can speak for themselves.

You're one of 'them' aren't you! — unenlightened

No, — Paine

It must be me, then. Yikes!

I been double-crossed now for the very last time and now I'm finally free,
I kissed goodbye the howling beast
On the borderline which separated you from me.
You'll never know the hurt I suffered nor the pain I rise above,
And I'll never know the same about you, your holiness or your kind of love,
And it makes me feel so sorry.

Bob Dylan, Idiot Wind.

He does a lot of long-form interviews, podcasts, rallies, so one can get a fairly good judge at competence. Weasels can bring up one or two lines that they find nuts, and sometimes rightfully so, but when compared to the millions of other things he says their portrayal turns out to be false. Kamala does zero interviews.

I feel I am not in Kansas any longer. I thought we were talking about believers in the Deep State.

millions of other things he says — NOS4A2

The millions of things are really a few things stuck on repeat. Never things describing a healthcare plan, for instance, or how he would end wars across the globe within 24 hours of assuming office, or how he would use the military to deport 11 million immigrants (including the legal cat munchers).

How do you know?

What I found is someone who is willing to ask the hard questions. — L'éléphant

:rofl:

My purpose was to find out if Trump was really crazy as the media portray. I did not find him crazy. — L'éléphant

Stating that immigrants eat house pets as some form of large scale problem isn't something you would find defines him as crazy? Or in other terms, unfit for presidency? It's either that he's a total nutcase, or he's a blatant and obvious racist, or both. You think either is a good foundation for a presidency?

Good points.

I count the use of language that includes the use of the word 'vermin' to describe other people as an immediate disqualification. I would be fired in a heartbeat if I did that at work. What does it mean that it now gets treated as a rhetorical flourish?

What does it mean that it now gets treated as a rhetorical flourish? — Paine

It either means that racism is getting normalized, or that people have forgotten when we battled enemies in deadly combat to free ourselves from such depraved world views. Either way leads to either future; a place where racism is the norm, or a place in which respectful and good people don't dare to speak up against the racist norms.

To be harsh... maybe good hearted people need to understand that setting limits and hard lines on what's acceptable or not in society also requires there to be sufficient consequences for those who cross the line. Stop accepting all the racism. Fight back against it. Stop acting like it "will just go away on its own", because it won't. Racists can act more and more according to their ideology if there are less and less pushback from society. There's no wonder that someone like Trump gets into power with his obvious racism... no one cares. If people cared, there would be riots and demonstrations pushing the nation to the brink of collapse. But the US would end up in civil war long before society actually pushed back against these forces.

Generally, people are sleepwalking into dangerous territory and if shit hits the fan they'll just cry out "how did this happen!?" :shade: