2. In 1980 there were still many non-profit hospitals and clinics, many operated by religious organizations (like Sisters of St. Joseph Carondolet or large denominations like the Methodists, Lutherans, or baptists). Most of these non-profits either closed or were sold to for-profit companies. What effect on cost might the departure of non-profits from health care had? — Bitter Crank
The overreach is in the form of forcing citizens to purchase a service from private industry. This is unprecedented. — Rich
With cart insurance, one had the choice to buy a car. One does not have a choice about living. — Rich
That the government can now force citizens to purchase services from private industry brings us one step closer to government totally ruling our lives. Orwell was correct in ascertaining that Totalitarianism will be a product of Leftist thinking. People just don't know when to stop. They literally want a Big Brother. What irony?
Yep, and we are sliding down that slope into total Government intervention and control of our lives. It is all happening in a very short period of time. The Left wants But Brother, and they got one. — Rich
No wonder Democrats don't care about losing more and more liberties under Obama. They don't want them and don't understand why others might. Is it now more understandable that Russians like Totalitarianism? — Rich
Of course they want them. That's why they push for equality and against discrimination. That's why they're by-and-large pro-choice rather than pro-life. — Michael
Right. And the benevolent Government ruled by the top 1% is going to give it all to them - for free nonetheless. Notice any changes lately or is all empty talk? Let's just say it is very easy to con people, especially those who think they are way too intelligent to be conned.
The largest transfer of wealth, by far, from the middle class to the top 1% occurred under Obama and now he gets $400,000 for a one hour speech from Goldman (which pretty much controls currency in the U.S. Clinton got her $180 million from Wall Street. And the middle class? Totally obliterated. What did the a Left get in return? Oh, some promises of equality-I guess in the poor house and the feeling that they did so much good for those who aren't as smart as them.
The Benevolent Government. — Rich
That the government can now force citizens to purchase services from private industry brings us one step closer to government totally ruling our lives. — Rich
There's no difference between the government taxing us to pay private companies to insure for health care and it taxing us to to pay private companies to build roads. — Hanover
There's no difference between the government taxing us to pay private companies to insure for health care and it taxing us to to pay private companies to build roads.
— Hanover
Very few individuals, if any, can build a network of roads on their own. The overwhelming majority of individuals can purchase an insurance policy on their own.
Exploiting the latter in morally and constitutionally questionable ways may be good politics if your goal is to maintain or increase your power by appealing to certain voters, but it is bad politics if your goal is to enact well-vetted reforms that will endure.
You're way off, not only can most citizens not afford health insurance for themselves and their children at their present rates or without a huge deductible, many are either denied insurance for present conditions or are given rates way out of affordability for those conditions. — Thanatos Sand
It's absolutely not illegal to raise the rates for pre-existing conditions and not to cover those pre-existing conditions in the policy. And it certainly is not illegal to increase the deductible for that pre-existing condition to a ridiculous number, rendering health care unaffordable anyway. — Thanatos Sand
They can't exclude based on preexisting condition nor vary the rates based upon preexisting condition.
The rates were to be kept under control in theory by mandating everyone buy insurance, including those with no preexisting condition.
The system has failed because many refuse to purchase insurance despite the mandate and because of spiraling health care costs.
And that current law will change with the GOP plan. Now address Medicare-For-All or the discussion is pointless. — Thanatos Sand
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