What is your approach to achieving your Stoic goals? Presumably it doesn't occur just automatically. — Leontiskos
What has been your experience with stoicism, or what do you think is the issue here? — Shawn
So the goal is an attitude of indifference. How does one get to that goal? — Leontiskos
Is it just by practicing indifference? Or is there some better way to get there? — Leontiskos
Interesting that the suggestion of physical fitness is immediately interpreted as 'self-torture' — Wayfarer
Indifference to heat and cold and to physical discomfort is not something that is acquired by thinking about it. — Wayfarer
Indifference to heat and cold and to physical discomfort is not something that is acquired by thinking about it. That's one reason that modern culture is inimical to stoicism - it has accustomed us to previously unheard-of levels of pleasure and comfort and encourages only the pursuit of consumption. — Wayfarer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gutter_punk is the modern phenomena I associate with ancient cynic philosophy. — Moliere
But seriously, is there any end to consumption? Can one draw a line hard and fast over how illustrious wants can be detrimental to a person? — Shawn
Hey I’m also wrestling with all this. I often feel - actually I know - I’ve been corrupted by the society I’ve been born into. — Wayfarer
It’s a constant battle - the original meaning of jihad was spiritual struggle, although that’s been corrupted too. — Wayfarer
Anyway, there's definitely a link between modern society and mental well-being. Hence the appeal of stoicism, paleo food, and all the other 'return to the ancients' kinds of movements, but it takes more than reading about it. — Wayfarer
What has been your experience with stoicism, or what do you think is the issue here? Thoughts and comments welcome.
However, it is worth noting that you must self-reflect on what you should be doing with your life (rationally) and then utilize any irrational emotions you have as fuel (if applicable) to achieve it: so, technically, the best approach is not always to eradicate the pathos. — Bob Ross
If you are struggling to implement Stoic principles in your life, then try reading (and re-reading) the meditations and implement a robust lifestyle-structure to build self-discipline and self-integrity. Then move from continence to temperance. — Bob Ross
the hippies got some of this right, yet veered off into hedonism, as a virtue. It then sabotaged anything they had to say to take this route. — Shawn
There is a real allure or reward of stoicisms promise of staying sane or achieving inner calm. — Shawn
Stoicism is about eradicating suffering by detaching from things outside of one's control; and it makes a really good pragmatic philosophy for normal life. — Bob Ross
What has been your experience with stoicism, or what do you think is the issue here? Thoughts and comments welcome. — Shawn
You can kind of see where the Que sera sera attitude of stoicism came from I guess — I like sushi
The modern version of Stoicism is "give me the strength to endure what cannot be changed and also the delusion of believing I can't really change anything, and also the wisdom to be able to find some pussy from time to time".
There is a real allure or reward of stoicisms promise of staying sane or achieving inner calm.
— Shawn
First of all, Stoicism makes no such promise.
Stoicism is not a self-help philosophy.
These ancient (and for the most part a lot better) versions of self-help tools are not the ends of Stoicism but tools to help in one's Stoic tasks: the journey towards the good. — boethius
Old or new the ultimate goal seems to be wellbeing, which might be characterized as sane and calm. — praxis
Stoicism doesn't teach apathy: it teaches equanimity. That's a common misconception. — Bob Ross
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