the physical is not mental because physical stuff cannot be mental stuff. — Manuel
However there are two forms of monism. — Clearbury
That is exactly my point; there is no real "you" and "your" body is not "yours". The question dualists need to consider is why a human body wouldn't be itself without the constructions and projections we classify as a separate entity and call mind. Why is a lizard still a lizard without thought and language, but only humans have a soul? Sure, we claim that God prefers us and gave us a soul. But I think we've grown up enough to stop clinging to that. — ENOAH
what would you say is vibrating to produce the sound of music? — punos
But this is all happening because there is a kind of neural self-simulation still going on in the brain even when sleeping. — punos
So you must be an atheist and materialist, is it correct? — Corvus
Why is the emergent mind not real? What do you mean by "real" and "not real"? — Corvus
I agree that we have gotten it all wrong. We have privileged the Mind (unique to humans), unwittingly giving it lofty designations like spirit and soul, imbuing it not just with reality, but a higher reality, eternity; relegating the flesh to a category shared with 'animals' as if we are superior to 'them', and worse, relegating it as the source of evil. Yet, prima facie, any animal born into this world has no 'cause' to question it's reality nor that of the natural Universe. Then why do we question reality? Because the 'we' doing the questioning is not our bodies, but this process of constructing and projecting (emerging out of our real imaginations--a thing we presumably share with primates, elephants, and sea mammals for e.g.) which has developed over generations, is transmitted with socialization, and has displaced our natures with--admittedly very functional--fictions. — ENOAH
unwittingly giving it lofty designations like spirit and soul, imbuing it not just with reality, but a higher reality, eternity; — ENOAH
knows, observes, feels, predicts and feels. — Corvus
The body has a head, arms, feet and hands etc etc. The mind can feel, know, observe, recall, predict, reason ... etc etc. — Corvus
curiosity — Corvus
arrogance — Corvus
after life, — Corvus
Your problem seems to stem from conflating mind and body at times, and then looking at mind and body separate entities as you go along. Constancy and coherence are lacking in your argument.The body is plainly real in every sense of the word real. You're offering that in your statement.
All of the enumerated things mind can do are what we (mind) ascribes to itself as proof of its reality 'beyond' the physical body. But these are just functions being carried out by a system of stimulus and response. Just happens the functions have evolved to act in such a richly complex and sophisticated way, with a narrative form, mechanisms like the ones we call logic, grammar, reason, etc., that the body observing these functions and responding, triggers good feelings when tge system classifies itself as "real" — ENOAH
Yes, humans have logic, grammar and reasoning, which are handy for delving into more sophisticated tasks for survival in nature and the real world. All other animals which are non-human lack the capacity, and even humans have different levels in logic, grammar and reasoning. It is just a fact, nothing to do with conceit.We are a conceited ape. The conceit is the illusion that our imaginations are special beyond their function (yes, that is impressive) but somehow as an eternal truth — ENOAH
Mind craves an afterlife because the mechanism of the subject creates the illusion of continuing. I think, harsh as it is a pill to swallow, the so called subject doesn't really exist, and as for we tge body, it dies and is reborn in tge incessant present. If we want to put it into religious terms, There's God's gift to us, the eternal present, life, our fall is ignoring life and opting for knowledge and our own world that we built with it. — ENOAH
Your problem seems to stem from conflating mind and body at times, and then looking at mind and body separate entities as you go along — Corvus
If you look at the mind as one of the organs of the body, then things get clearer. — Corvus
Saying that they are the same sounds over simplification — Corvus
But at the same time you deny the existence of souls and spirits, and brush aside death as the final page of the chapter for the beings. — Corvus
It is not a physical organ, but conceptual and functional organ. All your thoughts, feelings, emotions and senses i.e. the bundle of perceptions are your organ of mind, which emerged from your brain.I'd like to. Please show me, where is that organ Mind? — ENOAH
You cannot see it of course. It is conceptual and functional — Corvus
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