When we look at the world at the scale of QM, we’re looking at pre-cognitive reality without the benefit of the formatting by reality’s boundary administrator, our consciousness. — ucarr
Why should this be the case? On the one hand, you seem to be presenting a metaphysics of consciousness as a natural feature of reality. — Pantagruel
But then you seem to fall back on a more anthropomorphic interpretation. — Pantagruel
Certainly quantum phenomena are not a discrete and isolate realm, because they not only do manifest directly at the classical level... — Pantagruel
...but are increasingly being exploited (by consciousness) in advanced technologies. — Pantagruel
...I would hazard that more than just the construction of a picture of reality is going on. Constructing reality itself perhaps. However, undoubtedly constructing the picture is a significant part of that project. — Pantagruel
I would hazard that more than just the construction of a picture of reality is going on. Constructing reality itself perhaps. — Pantagruel
If you are suggesting that consciousness functions as an organizational principle of reality I'd agree that is evident. — Pantagruel
Is it strictly mental, or does it also inhabit the empirical realm of practical physics? — ucarr
Is it strictly mental, or does it also inhabit the empirical realm of practical physics? — ucarr
To me this seems like asking the question, Is the "representation" real? — Pantagruel
It seems incontrovertibly to be so... Our increasing mastery of quantum phenomena being solid evidence. — Pantagruel
...are we talking about the conscious experience qua representation, or are we talking about some kind of construct - presumably a material-symbolic artefact - that instantiates or incorporates this conscious experience? — Pantagruel
Presently, I am focusing on consciousness as a builder by way of being a boundary administrator. The boundary negotiations work towards construction of a representation of reality. — ucarr
Conceptually, this is cogent. — Pantagruel
But it still begs the question of the exact nature of the representation construct. — Pantagruel
I view it in light of what I'd call "constructive realism". — Pantagruel
What about the possibility of consciousness acting in the role of a transitive agent impacting and changing the objects under its influence? — ucarr
But are we talking about the conscious experience qua representation, or are we talking about some kind of construct - presumably a material-symbolic artefact - that instantiates or incorporates this conscious experience? — Pantagruel
Is there a possibility that where this is headed is going to end up restating in QM terms what Kant clarified in the subject (consciousness) that is isolated from the thing in itself (wave, QM theories), due to the phenomenal veil (consciousness’s constructions)? — Fire Ologist
...there are two parts to consciousness. One is as the seat of perception, like a dog is conscious, a function of the brain, out there in the world, like any other thing in itself. The second part, for human beings, is consciousness of this consciousness. — Fire Ologist
Where does the transitive bridge fit in?
If I’m making any sense to you. — Fire Ologist
Is there a sense in which consciousness overflows its symbolic representations? — Pantagruel
Empirical knowledge is precisely reflected in exhausted by what is symbolically represented. — Pantagruel
However consciousness can know some things in a way that seems to transcend empirical encapsulation of this kind. That fact that it can "know" that something can be brought about by conducting itself counterfactually, for example, acting "against" the way things are in order to bring about something different. So does intuitive knowledge transcend empirical encapsulation? Or does it in fact such an encapsulation itself? — Pantagruel
Empirical knowledge is precisely reflected in exhausted by what is symbolically represented. — Pantagruel
However consciousness can know some things in a way that seems to transcend empirical encapsulation of this kind. The fact that it can "know" that something can be brought about by conducting itself counterfactually, for example, acting "against" the way things are in order to bring about something different. — Pantagruel
So does intuitive knowledge transcend empirical encapsulation? Or is it in fact such an encapsulation itself? — Pantagruel
If consciousness functions as a boundary administrator, formatting the picture of reality into the physical world of material objects with discrete boundaries in space and time, then there is the suggestion that at the QM scale on down to the Planck scale, an interval wherein, presumably, consciousness is not yet assembled, the state of the system is superposition. If so, then we can associate superposition with Kant's noumenal realm of things-in-themselves. — ucarr
I would recommend you find some established authors who's published works represent what you think is the best synthesis of these ideas and provide references to them, a practice that you will notice I try to do in many of my posts. (Sorry for being blunt, but you did request feedback.) — Wayfarer
Instead, cogito-spacetime takes the place of cogito ergo sum. With consciousness now inducted into the physico_material realm of physics as the boundary administrator for the cognition of the physics of physico_material reality, this addition resolves the seeming inconsistency between QM and Newton. The seeming inconsistency between QM and Newton, plus Descartes' cogito ergo sum, operate as the wellsprings of the HPoC. — ucarr
Our thoughts exemplify what they conceptualize. — Pantagruel
We are alive and real only because we can die. Consciousness divorced from death is a childish game. We grow up when we accept the strategic incompleteness of ourselves; it fends off death until the living project extends beyond the individual’s strategies for preserving its incompleteness. — ucarr
Consciousness can be construed as a species-collective property, which at the bare minimum distances (and possibly insulates) it from the individual notion of (ego-)death. — Pantagruel
When you score a victory against your opposition, it has meaning and value. The circularity of you being you in isolation has no meaning or value. — ucarr
The distinction between processes that we can discover in the object, and processes which we can discover in our minds when we reflect on our thought about the object, is a distinction that we have no right to make here... ~Collingwood, The Nature of Metaphysical Study — Pantagruel
Our thoughts exemplify what they conceptualize — Pantagruel
Our thoughts exemplify what they conceptualize — Pantagruel
...consciousness formats the boundaries of perceived things as a translation of things-in-themselves. — ucarr
At present, I'm not seeing how:
Our thoughts exemplify what they conceptualize
— Pantagruel
is inconsistent with:
...consciousness formats the boundaries of perceived things as a translation of things-in-themselves.
— ucarr — ucarr
Consciousness, acting in the role of boundary administrator, formats a grid of material boundaries in superposition into a navigable environment. — ucarr
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