Humans are single-celled for a few days at best. But no need to reiterate the position. — NOS4A2
Dehumanization is the method. I’m curious what it does psychologically — NOS4A2
I think the focus on the single cell is for the insult value. — frank
Being dehumanized can cause significant psychological harm. Zygotes, blastocysts, and fetuses often feel alienated, isolated, and humiliated, which can lead to anxiety, depression, and low self-esteem. Chronic dehumanization, like in cases of systemic discrimination, can contribute to long-term mental health issues.
What would you say to someone who basically agreed with you, but said they did not find newborns and infants as valuable as full persons? — Fire Ologist
Btw, if pro-choice advocates don’t believe that human zygotes, blastocysts, and fetuses are human what species do they think they are? — praxis
If, when it becomes difficult to fix that boundary I just say “everything changes anyway” I can’t say “human” anymore.
— Fire Ologist
Sure you can. — praxis
I’m religious.
— Fire Ologist
Don’t you think this influences how you identify things? — praxis
But how far would you go to saving a zygote?
I can envision myself maybe running into a burning building to save a person trapped there, but a petri dish or a test tube?
Would you put yourself at risk to save a zygote?
All of these scenarios I give are to show we value actual persons infinitely more than one-celled organisms
and I think obvious conclusions can be drawn from that regarding the abortion debate.
No reasonable person could read all three beings as morally hte same, without doing some loop-de-loops which rest on embarrassment, basically. — AmadeusD
I'm trying to avoid even "right" or "wrong" as the moral/ethical/social aspects of this are to me, just a total mess of a conversation. I'm just trying say what an abortion is, like what a car is, or what keys are. — Fire Ologist
I'm not trying to determine whether an abortion is a sin or not. In fact I think some abortions might be sins, and some definitely are not. — Fire Ologist
For my part the focus on blastocysts shows the absurdity of claiming equality between two things that are so different. — Banno
So there could be reasons to value the life of an adult more than the life of a baby? — Fire Ologist
Should I focus the conversation on what you REALLY think instead of what you are saying? — Fire Ologist
You don’t want to trust me. You don’t believe me or think I don’t have my own mind. I’m just a religious zealot (even though I don’t sound like one or ever raised the issue and I as just honestly responding to you). — Fire Ologist
Doesn't this perhaps go to the point made by Banno earlier that religion or essentialism are influencing such views? — Tom Storm
My question would be this: an acorn is a potential oak tree. We wouldn't identity the acorn as an oak tree, though. Destroying an acorn is not equivalent to destroying an oak tree. Do you see humans as differing from this? — frank
Overall situations are more significant to me than categorical imperatives. — Tom Storm
A human zygote isn’t a different thing than a human adult - it’s what a human being is when it is first conceived like the adult is what a human being is when it is grown. — Fire Ologist
think you nailed the competing interests here. Some are focused on more specific scenarios and situations, and me, I am focused on anything universal that might be gleaned from it. — Fire Ologist
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