I’m actually anti-abortion-without-exception — Fire Ologist
I think some abortions might be sins, and some definitely are not. — Fire Ologist
If they are not 'different thing's then they cannot be alternate states of 'one another', let's say. They would be the same thing. There is a difference, which you acknowledge here. — AmadeusD
A human zygote isn’t a different thing than a human adult - it’s what a human being is when it is first conceived like the adult is what a human being is when it is grown. — Fire Ologist
Somewhat presumptuous of you.I think you might not realize... — frank
So it’s messy. — Fire Ologist
An adult organism is constantly changing too. So if we want to say an adult human Is a “thing”, and then say it constantly changes, tomorrow morning we have a new “thing” too according to you. — Fire Ologist
So “thing” becomes a meaningless term. There are no things anywhere ever anymore. — Fire Ologist
we can integrate constant change with its permanent subject of that change. — Fire Ologist
Now when a sperm fertilizes an egg, we can say the constantly changing sperm is a thing that, once joined with the egg, ceases to be a thing, and the egg and sperm together start the motions and changes of a new thing. — Fire Ologist
some abortions are definitely not a sin — praxis
"Anti-abortion without exception" refers to a stance on abortion that opposes allowing abortion in any circumstance. This position means that a person or policy does not support abortion, even in cases where exceptions are typically debated, such as:
Rape or incest: Situations where pregnancy occurs due to non-consensual acts.
Life or health of the mother: When the pregnancy poses a significant risk to the mother's physical health or life.
Fetal abnormalities: Cases where the fetus is diagnosed with a condition that may lead to a non-viable pregnancy or severe health issues after birth.
Those who hold this view believe that abortion should not be permitted under any conditions, often based on ethical, religious, or moral grounds. It contrasts with other anti-abortion positions that may allow for specific exceptions. — chatgpt
My question about the psychology of humanization is about what it does to the one who behaves that way, how it hinders the conscience. because it has a clear psychological purpose. A fetus need not be aware of it. — NOS4A2
No, it isn't.I think the focus on the single cell is for the insult value. — frank
Godwin's law.Hitler liked the word "vermin." — frank
You do not know what I "realise".I think you might not realize... — frank
Can't women be trusted to make their own decisions when provided with professional support?Why did she need an abortion? — frank
More presumption....you should... — frank
A human zygote isn’t a different thing than a human adult — Fire Ologist
You can only ever act on your categories. It's why you don't have a problem killing a fly as a fly is not a human even though it has flesh and blood. As I said before, we will agree 99% of the time what a human is. A vast majority of these "flesh-and-blood" entities fall neatly into that category. It is only those entities that are on the fringes of the category that we might disagree. In fact, a zygote has no flesh or blood, so according to your own words, they would not qualify.My concern isn’t so much the taxonomy but the flesh-and-blood entity that you are justifying killing. I don’t require categories to tell me when it is or isn’t appropriate to take a life, and I don’t need to dehumanize someone. Simple justice and dignity suffices to inform how it is appropriate to treat another living being.
So if it isn’t human life what kind of life would you suggest it is? — NOS4A2
created the contradiction controversy — Fire Ologist
what about all of the other things I said to you about what a zygote must be biologically and metaphysically speaking? — Fire Ologist
You strip away mentally as many human qualities as possible — NOS4A2
So what do you mean by saying that a human zygote is the same thing as an adult? And why is this sense of being the same thing morally relevant? — Michael
Is it not human? because you are forever trying to dismiss that term. — NOS4A2
if you admitted to goofing around — praxis
what about all of the other things I said to you about what a zygote must be biologically and metaphysically speaking?
— Fire Ologist
You’ll have to describe your religious views — praxis
I’d trust you more if — praxis
I think much, but not all, of the controversy on the moral (second) question is because of bad or no answer on this metaphysical/biological (first) question. — Fire Ologist
But this single-celled organism came about different than other single-cells organisms. The act and the beings who created it also make it human. Its creation, its development, its biology, its surroundings, and yes its DNA, make it a certain kind of single-celled organism. — NOS4A2
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