Can anyone prove a god, I enjoy debates and wish to see the arguments posed in favour of the existence of a god. — CallMeDirac
There are three possibilities concerning the belief in God: true, false, indeterminate. Religion believes it is true. Atheism believes that it is false. Agnosticism is indeterminate.
Atheism is defined as a positive claim. It is agnosticism that refuses to make a claim. While agnosticism makes perfect sense, atheism doesn't.
If we look at the JTB account for knowledge, then knowledge is defined as a particular kind of belief:
It depends on what the definition of God is. If it were like me, my definition of God is, a word in English which spells GOD, and has many meanings and many types depending on what religion or concept it comes from. Hence it is quite straightforward to prove the existence of God under the definition.
Whenever I type G O D, a word God appears on the screen GOD. Here is a God. Here is another God.
You are seeing two Gods on the screen. An object can be said to exist when it is visible to the perceiver in space and time. I am seeing the word God in the space where the monitor is located at this particular moment.
Therefore it is conclusively true that God exists.
If your definition of God is different from mine, you would have a different method of proof. Whatever the case, your mileage may vary.
You didn't prove that the word exists. All you did was proved that the representation of the word exists. — night912
Having said that, more importantly metaphysical entities (which the vast majority of god definitions are) defy purely physical proof. — LuckyR
Is Germany an entity? How about Apple corporation? How about the US dollar's value? Intersubjective entities are entities. — LuckyR
God doesn't have any of those properties. God only exists in word.
Rather, the dollar only has value because the vast majority of humans consciously agree that it has value, that is, it has no intrinsic or objective value. Similarly, gods definitely exist as entities through agreed human belief that is, as intersubjective entities (like nations, corporations and economies), though not objective entities, as you noted. — LuckyR
My point is that many things we deal with routinely and without controversy also don't possess objective existence. — LuckyR
Every time words are spoken, written or typed out, they are real as bricks. Bricks that make up the sentences, which are propositions, statements or claims in the real world.For instance, God is great, or Oh my God, you took my money, but didn't let me win the lottery jackpot. Don't worry, God will save you. etc etc. These are the real life examples of solid manifestation and materialization and utilization of the words.
the bricks that make up the sentences — night912
As to whether gods are metaphysical, they are by my understanding, — LuckyR
I was just suggesting a direction for you to take in case you are interested in seeing the physical proof of God's existence.Huh? I've spent considerable energy in this thread arguing against the concept of physically "proving" metaphysical entities, like gods. — LuckyR
Since you have joined the thread, and spent your considerable energy arguing, you still need to prove why you are not proving anything.So, no, I don't need to define anything, since I'm not proving anything. — LuckyR
I already gave out my proof.You? — LuckyR
For your information, "brick" was a figure of speech called simile in my sentence.
Simile is
"a figure of speech involving the comparison of one thing with another thing of a different kind, used to make a description more emphatic or vivid (e.g. as brave as a lion )." - Oxford Dictionary.
And yet, you didn't understand that, "the bricks that make up the sentences are not the actual words themselves," was a figure of speech :chin: — night912
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