"During a briefing with reporters, Jon Kosloski, director of the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office, admitted that the U.S. government is stumped by several “true anomalies.” According to Kosloski, “There are interesting [UFO] cases that I, with my physics and engineering background and time in the [intelligence community], I do not understand. And I don’t know anybody else who understands them either.” — Marik von Rennenkampff - The Hill
It is hard to wade through all this, but given the framework I provided of context, evidence, and sources, how should one evaluate claims? — schopenhauer1
Meanwhile, drones fly over NJ and no one is entitled to an explanation. — Hanover
Shoot them down and wait to see who sues you. Problem solved. — Leontiskos
Why is the fascination with UFOs back? — schopenhauer1
I wondered about that, but this article says religious people are less likely to believe in UFOs than are atheists. — Hanover
Nowadays, however, with Trump being elected (twice!) and "fake" news, and all facts being considered as suspect, social media, and the "democratization" of information, everything is up for grabs in the media environment, thus most people now will just shrug their shoulders at the idea that a major country's legislative body has spent time listening to ex-military officials from the executive branch give testimony about programs that have found real UFOs, NHI, retrieval and reverse engineering programs. — schopenhauer1
However, the counterargument is that the Congress members themselves are fringe cooks willing to entertain sensationalist bullshit. — schopenhauer1
I view this through a political lens, as in who is saying it, why they're saying it, and what power they wish to gain through saying it. — Hanover
The UFO thing is consistent with all of this. It's another instance of someone or something having taken over society in some surreptitious way, with a final plan to take the hard earned belongings and freedoms from average Americans. It's all the result of distrust and paranoia.
The problem is that the distrust and paranoia has been earned. It's not that the right is rational in its response, but it's not that the left has maintained a moral high ground either. Do what you want, say what you want, try to get what you want, and if you get caught, be more clever the next time.
Meanwhile, drones fly over NJ and no one is entitled to an explanation. — Hanover
I've known quite a number of atheists who believe in UFO's, ghosts and Bigfoot too. We tend to forget that atheism only refers to disbelief in one thing. — Tom Storm
I am not certain about anything related to UFOs, but the thing I am closest to being certain about is that no government agency could keep a secret like this for 75 years. — T Clark
I love the fact that a big part of the government's solution is to rename UFOs and start another new agency.
Of course the irony is that the government could address a lot of this by opening their files. Are their still secrets about events in the 1940s that can't be disclosed for legitimate security reasons? Perhaps. Of course, they've sort of, kind of done that by letting congress have hearings. As you note, that hasn't really resolved anything. — T Clark
Aside from that, little has changed. Man sees something unfamiliar, it's either two or three things. Something of use, something of harm, or something that could go either way. Those who aired on the middle option, often survived. Perhaps many did not and perished where those who aired on the first or third option did. We're simple beings, really. Not much has changed in that regard. — Outlander
Yes, so you are attributing it to psychological phenomena, something like mass hysteria or public psychosis. — schopenhauer1
What should the public think of it? — schopenhauer1
Well, for my money, until we actually have something demonstrated to us, we really should suspend our judgement on this 'phenomenon'. — Tom Storm
I wondered about that, but this article says religious people are less likely to believe in UFOs than are atheists. — Hanover
Just as atheists are less likely than religious people to "believe in" angels & ghosts. As you're well aware, we (confabulatory metacognitive) h. sapiens are quite often (virally) delusional. — 180 Proof
Atheists believe in UFOs because they don't believe in God. Theists don't need to believe in UFOs because they believe in God. — Leontiskos
but I'm interested in why you think an atheist would need there to be UFOs to impart meaning on their lives and why you think theists would lose something if they accepted that UFOs existed. — Hanover
Neither one really believes that we are all alone. — Leontiskos
UFOs and bigfoot could exist under our current concept of physics and scientific reality. Gods and angels, not so much. — Hanover
I think that's probably why atheists can better accept UFOs and fundamentalists cannot. — Hanover
My sense is perhaps this: In the current world of risk management and security, and risk mitigation matrixes, committees and organizations investigate any number of odd things because if they don't they may be seen as neglectful. And there's alwasy the quesion, what if, by not investigating, they miss something critical? — Tom Storm
But also, and obviously, that people have been looking for flying saucers does not prove that there are flying saucers. — Banno
UAP does not entail aliens; the concern is that a foreign government might be using technology beyond ours. That is potentially relevant, but that may be an excuse, since the alleged behavior often breaks the laws of physics.what makes me take notice is the context- that it is being taken seriously by a major superpower. — schopenhauer1
So in a way, you can make a matrix like this:
The institutional distributor of information matters for the public (Is the info coming from a "legitimate" institution like government agencies, or is it coming from your Uncle Joe).
Sources matter for the information gatherers: (Is the info coming from "legitimate" credible witnesses and accounts, or from bad actors?
Evidence matters for information gatherers and the public (Is the info first hand accounts, are they recorded, do we have any physical artifacts? Have they been analyzed for material compos ition, biologics, and comparative design? — schopenhauer1
UAP does not entail aliens; the concern is that a foreign government might be using technology beyond ours. — Relativist
The survey showed that atheists were more likely than Christians to believe there was life elsewhere in the universe. That's probably because they believe God created the universe for humans.I wondered about that, but this article says religious people are less likely to believe in UFOs than are atheists.
https://religionnews.com/2021/08/23/for-atheists-the-idea-of-aliens-seems-real-religious-people-doubt-it/ — Hanover
a final plan to take the hard earned belongings and freedoms from average Americans — Hanover
Aliens are a given to many people, and I suspect, others are apt to be easily convinced because they hope for (or dread) their presence.One can ignore one or two eye witnesses but not so easily a plethora of accounts. I wouldn't think aliens is the first idea people go to, unless they already happen to think aliens are a given. — Tom Storm
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