Universalism seems to conflict with our intuitive judgment that the front halves of trout and the back halves of turkeys do not compose anything. Put another way, universalism seems to be open to fairly obvious counterexamples. Here is an argument from counterexamples against universalism:
(CX1) If universalism is true, then there are trout-turkeys.
(CX2) There are no trout-turkeys.
(CX3) So universalism is false.
Similar arguments may be lodged against other revisionary theses. The various forms of eliminativism wrongly imply that there are no statues; plenitudinism wrongly implies that there are incars; the doctrine of arbitrary undetached parts wrongly implies that there are leg complements; and so forth. — Daniel Z. Korman
(AE1) If Empiricism is true, then magnetism can be perceived by human beings. — Arcane Sandwich
1. You seem to be attacking an archaic/straw version of empiricism, by stipulating that some sort of 'direct sensing' of properties must be available to humans for empiricism to stand up to scrutiny. — wonderer1
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2. I have many ways of detecting the presence of a magnetic field. A simple one is just to hold a magnet near a piece of iron, in which case I will sense the force of attraction between the magnet and the iron. — wonderer1
If you accuse me of strawmannig, then you're accusing me of charlatanry, hence sophistry, and therefore you are assuming ill intent on my behalf... — Arcane Sandwich
False. You do not sense the force of attraction in that case, you simply feel an increasingly solid sensation, in a tactile sense. — Arcane Sandwich
No I'm not assuming ill intent. Ignorance on your part seems a simple enough explanation. — wonderer1
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The bolded portion seems an odd way of expressing whatever you may be trying to express. Have you actually done the experiment? — wonderer1
In any case, yes I have a tactile sensation of the attraction between the magnet and the iron. — wonderer1
By assuming ignorance on my part, you're not willing to give me a fair reading as your interlocutor. — Arcane Sandwich
I provided you with an opportunity to show that you weren't ignorant in relevant ways with my first response to you. — wonderer1
Unfortunately it seems that you weren't able to take advantage of the opportunity. — wonderer1
You bolded that portion yourself in your
, I simply formatted the quote in order to respect that. Because unlike you, I am indeed being charitable towards your intentions. e I will sense the
— previous comment — Arcane Sandwich
...a child sliding down a plastic slide often has their hair stand on end... pretty sure it's detectable? You're basically playing "peek-a-boo" with magnetism and saying "empiricism doesn't exist" when you're not directly observing it... — DifferentiatingEgg
You bolded that portion yourself in your
, I simply formatted the quote in order to respect that. Because unlike you, I am indeed being charitable towards your intentions. e I will sense the
— previous comment — Arcane Sandwich
I don't know what you are trying to say there, or who you are suggesting that you were quoting. — wonderer1
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pretty logical to assume since I said we can observe it Im attacking AE1 — DifferentiatingEgg
... dork. — DifferentiatingEgg
You would need a reason to do so. — tim wood
If you're on about refuting "philosophical substance," you're about 250 years too late. — tim wood
But also yours is a fallacy of false alternatives and amphiboly. — tim wood
You haven't defined "apple," and maybe as to what it is, there are other possibilities. — tim wood
The difficulty with this is the need to be rigorously exact as to what exactly you're referring to. An apple - your apple - what exactly is it, where exactly is it? — tim wood
And how do you know that one thing only has perceptible qualities and the other both perceptible and imperceptible qualities — tim wood
Actually, what is an imperceptible quality? — tim wood
There's a good chance the dispute - such as it is - arises from confusion, resolved or at least refined in careful definition. — tim wood
Not to say that definitions resolve all problems - pace all older Australians - but they make the way easier. — tim wood
No, I'm not on about refuting "philosophical substances". I believe that they are real. — Arcane Sandwich
Great! Real is a qualification. And presumably common to all things that are. What sort of real thing, then, would it be? — tim wood
And yet, since anything and everything you might say, think, or cognise about it is or is informed by your perception, you cannot, have not, said anything about it itself. Calling it an ordinary object won't do, not least because it leads to the questions, how do you know? and what is an ordinary object? — tim wood
Our everyday experiences present us with a wide array of objects: dogs and cats, tables and chairs, trees and their branches, and so forth. These sorts of ordinary objects may seem fairly unproblematic in comparison to entities like numbers, propositions, tropes, holes, points of space, and moments of time. Yet, on closer inspection, they are at least as puzzling, if not more so. — Daniel Z. Korman
And by this do you mean that philosophical substances are a many, at least as many as there are ordinary objects? — tim wood
Or that ordinary objects are a one, being all the same? — tim wood
Perhaps try reading your own citation — tim wood
at least make clear to me why you cited it? — tim wood
If each "ordinary object" is a distinct philosophical substance, then what distinguishes object from substance? — tim wood
If objects share substance, — tim wood
how are such objects distinguished? — tim wood
2. I have many ways of detecting the presence of a magnetic field. A simple one is just to hold a magnet near a piece of iron, in which case I will sense the force of attraction between the magnet and the iron. — wonderer1
I'm referring to the phenomena of attraction and repulsion involving two ordinary magnets. — Arcane Sandwich
Yet magnetism is real. Therefore, magnetism is both real and non-empirical. This being the case, the existence of magnets are a counter-example to Empiricism, which means that Empiricism is false. — Arcane Sandwich
We need light to see objects attract and repulse - all we ever see is light, we never see anything else. — Fire Ologist
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