• Brendan Golledge
    156
    Autonomous Government + Voluntary Taxation

    Since I am so displeased with democracy as it exists in the USA, I’ve been thinking about an alternative kind of government. Here it is.


    Autonomous Branches of Government

    One of the reasons I don’t like democracy is that lots of people who don’t know anything are meddling in other people’s business. So, I thought it would be nice if each branch of government oversaw itself. The military would decide how the military was run, the local police would decide how they were run, the local courts would decide how they were run, etc. This has a secondary benefit of accountability, which will be discussed in the tax section.


    The Sovereign

    The sovereign would combine the mostly independent branches of government into one functioning whole. He would decide which branches of government existed, settle disputes between different branches of governments, define internal borders, do international diplomacy, declare war, etc.

    There could be a feudal system, where there could be a king at the top, with a duke (equivalent to a governor) for each state, and a count (equivalent to a mayor) for each county. Each local government could run things as they saw fit within their own borders.

    Alternatively, perhaps the emperor would be obligated to choose a successor unrelated by blood ties. This would have the benefit of decreasing the likelihood of there being an incompetent king.

    For this thought experiment, I’m not considering the possibility of voting on rulers, since the USA is setting such a poor example right now, and because this would be contrary to the principle outlined here of autonomous government.


    Voluntary Taxation

    I’m imagining a future where crypto is used by default to pay for most things. I would personally like ICP for this purpose, because it’s fast, you can access the block chain from a web browser, you can access your internet identity with the biometrics on a phone or laptop, among other reasons. I think there should be user-friendly dapps to help you pay for things with your phone (like scan a barcode & give your phone your fingerprint to make a payment, with warnings for large or unusual payments), to help with inheritance, taxes, and other things.

    Crypto blockchains prefer to be independent, but with this style of government, the government would be using a blockchain to collect taxes. One solution could be to create something like a “ICPUSA” coin, which one can acquire by exchanging it for 1 ICP, which is the standard currency in the USA. The advantage of doing this would be that there would be tax infrastructure built around this coin (on the ICP blockchain), so that using it would automatically get your taxes calculated and collected for you. Using other currencies could perhaps be permitted, but more paperwork would be required in order to pay the tax.

    Once a year, each taxpayer votes on the tax rate for each independent government agency. Voting power is proportional to taxes paid during the previous voting year. Whatever the weighted average tax rate is among the voters, that tax rate is automatically applied and deducted from people’s wallets. Taxpayers could also vote for changes to tax policy. There would have to be special rules to prevent abuse, like a maximum tax rate that can be voted on (maybe 10%), to stop someone from voting for a bazillion percent tax in order to skew the average. A wallet might need to be approved by a government agent (like the king, a duke, or a count) before it can ask people to vote on it, or else a large private company like Walmart might be able to unilaterally vote itself a tax rate of something like 0.0001%.

    ALL taxes would work the exact same. Each entity (person or corporation) would declare an income wallet (where one receives income) and an expenses wallet (with which one pays for expenses). The tax dapp would automatically track all transactions that entered the income wallet, and all transactions that left the expense wallet. The tax would be automatically applied to the difference between the income and the expenses. Employees might have no need for an expense wallet, but both businesses and investors would use the expense wallet to keep track of money they spent on trying to make more money. The tax would be applied to ALL transactions: groceries, land sales, income, capital gains, etc. For this reason, the tax rates should be very low, because they will add up very quickly (a farmer selling to factory which sells to a wholesaler which sells to a retailer who sells to the consumer would rack up 4 taxable transactions).

    The government and taxpayers (by voting) may decide to allow people to flag transactions with things like, “inheritance”, “food”, “medical expenses” or other such things in order to reduce or eliminate the tax. Or maybe people could count food and medical expenses as “expenses” and thus these would be tax deductible. Or maybe some things like "alcohol and drugs" would get a higher tax rate (maybe like 2x of whatever the normal tax rate was). The tax payers could vote to choose, perhaps with oversight from the government.

    There would of course need to be occasional audits in order to ensure that people were honestly declaring their taxes.

    Maybe in order to encourage people to vote, there could be a higher tax rate for people who didn’t vote. Or maybe nonvoters would simply not be counted.


    Example:

    A typical taxpayer would probably vote on tax rates (in percent) for the following:

    Local police
    Local emergency personnel (firefighters and ambulance)
    Local courts
    Local count + miscellaneous local expenses
    Local duke + miscellaneous state expenses
    State court system
    The national military
    The king’s personal expenses + miscellaneous government expenses (maybe king’s security, secret police, espionage, etc)

    I would guess that the tax rate for most of these things should be less than 1%.


    Benefits of this system:

    Everybody would be in their own lane. People wouldn’t be able to vote on stuff which they did not understand.
    At least 50% of taxes paid would be voluntary (or else the taxpayers would vote on a lower tax rate). So, it would be impossible to vote for your neighbors money (welfare).
    Tax payers would be able to directly defund certain government agencies which they disapproved of. Because the vote took place via crypto, it would be automatically implemented and thus could not be cheated or ignored.
    Each branch of government would be forced to continually justify its existence, hopefully by doing useful things. Maybe it would be useful to have one or more state propaganda channels for the purpose of convincing people to vote for higher tax rates.
    Assuming that the society was at least semi-meritocratic, those who were more competent would have more voting power.
    The issuance of currency would be outside of government control, so inflation would not occur.


    Disadvantages:
    The citizens would have to voluntarily pay a tax. If they decided that they didn’t want to pay any tax at all, even for legitimate government services, then there would be problems.
    Voters would have to pay attention generally to punish abuse.
    If some government agency found a significant source of income outside of this tax system, then it would be difficult for tax payers to punish that agency.
  • Brendan Golledge
    156
    I thought about the possibility that the government could choose to pay tax in order to give itself voting power to raise the tax rate. The math is complicated because you can get into infinite loops, but with only some of the tax revenue cycling back to a given government agency, but I think I came to some general conclusions:

    If there is a unitary government (only 1 branch of government that is funded by voting tax payers), with a legal maximum tax rate that you can vote for called "max", then it will be beneficial for the government to pay tax to itself to vote for the max tax rate, and that the actual tax rate will approach this max tax rate with time. Unless the max tax rate is over 50%, then it should never be possible for the government to vote to raise the max tax rate, and possibly the voters could vote to lower the max tax rate. So, for a unitary government that chooses to pay tax and vote to raise taxes, the max allowable tax rate is basically the same as the actual tax rate.

    If there are many branches of government so that most of the tax paid doesn't come back to any particular branch, then it's only beneficial for that branch to pay tax if the max allowable tax rate for its branch is at least as big as the current total tax rate (then they can give themselves a bigger raise than they pay in taxes). So, for many branches of government, a simple fix would be to set the max allowable vote for a tax rate for any given branch to be half of what the total government revenue was last year. Then it would not be profitable for any individual branch of government to choose to pay tax in order to raise its tax rate.

    If there are many counties with different forms of government, then it's possible that some of the counties will have unitary government (only one branch of government for the whole county). Then, the count would be like a unitary government for his local area, and could vote for the max tax rate for himself. In this case, it might be beneficial for local areas to be allowed to vote on local max tax rates.

    I just looked up the size of the military budget in the USA and the size of US GDP, and it looks like the USA spends a little under 5% of its GDP on the military. But the USA has higher military spending than basically any country ever. And the military should be the largest legitimate budget expense for a country. So, it makes sense to me that the global maximum tax rate for any branch of government should be 5% (and this is even being generous). Then if there were many branches of government, and if the total tax paid to government as at least 5%, then it would never be profitable for any individual branch to pay taxes in order to give itself a raise. Now, many branches of government could collude to raise the tax rate together (this would be hard if they were really independent), but in this case, the tax payers could treat them as a unitary government and then just vote to lower the maximum tax rate that can be voted on.
  • DifferentiatingEgg
    361
    I am so displeased with democracy as it exists in the USABrendan Golledge

    I'm not, because I use it towards MY benefit. I don't pay taxes and I work for myself. In a capitalist system, if you want to get ahead, buy the rights to the surpluss of a company's value. Or create something of consumer value.
  • T Clark
    14.3k
    I'm not, because I use it towards MY benefit. I don't pay taxes and I work for myself. In a capitalist system, if you want to get ahead, buy the rights to the surpluss of a company's value. Or create something of consumer value.DifferentiatingEgg

    To summarize, you like democracy as it currently stands in the US because you can get all the services without paying for them and leave it for other people to pay for. So you’re stealing from me.

    It’s not that big a deal I guess, but bragging about it makes you seem like kind of an [explative deleted].
  • T Clark
    14.3k


    What your proposing is basically anarchy. It has been discussed here numerous times. Without going into criticisms of specific details, it just won’t work. It shows a fundamental misunderstanding of human nature - it’s just not how people and governments work. People like @DifferentiatingEgg will take advantage and ripoff the system whenever they can.
  • DifferentiatingEgg
    361
    So you’re stealing from me.T Clark

    Whatever, so has every politician you've ever voted for... so too does your God... 0 fucks given. There are those who follow the rules and those who bend them to their will.

    Just as obtaining knowledge comes as a crime against God. The highest presentment of man is always seemingly through some crime or another... blah blah blah... well it's only a crime to those who adhere to a model. And I don't adhere to your model of evaluations. Democracy has stolen enough in its name... just as all States have...

    I can't go claim untamed land for my own? I gotta ask a state? Fuck off... just because it's a model doesn't mean I ever agreed to be born into American slavery...

    Who did you vote for this time around? Me I don't cause politics is beneath me.

    I'm kinda doubting you voted for Harris... and Trump's already stolen more from you than I ever will.

    From just his time in office since January...

    And if you voted Trump... that means you gave that imbecile the okay to steal from you, knowing how much he did the first time... and to steal from me.
  • Banno
    26.4k
    Since I am so displeased with democracy as it exists in the USABrendan Golledge

    There's your first mistake - thinking the USA is democratic...
  • DifferentiatingEgg
    361
    Pragmatic... you see, in high-school, all my Marxist friends made compelling critiques for me to do precisely what they said I shouldn't be doing... if capitalism and democracy are such exploitative systems then why shouldn't I position myself in a way that minimizes my exploitation? Plan ahead...
  • T Clark
    14.3k

    I consider myself a pragmatist, but I don't steal from my neighbors. Your justifications are nauseating.

    I'm all done here, I'll give you a chance for a final sickening self-justification.
  • DifferentiatingEgg
    361
    If you were a 100% disabled military veteran, you'd not have to pay taxes either.
  • kazan
    352
    If you were a 100% disabled military veteran, you'd not have to pay taxes either.DifferentiatingEgg

    As in income taxes or any type of tax including tarrifs on imported goods and services? Or do you mean by "100% disabled", dead?

    curious smile
  • DifferentiatingEgg
    361
    Veteran discounts pretty much cover sales tax and then a little extra.

    The disability rating is from combined injuries and trauma from the military, I get paid quite a pretty penny from that alone also. Free healthcare, waiving of the first $40,000 in property taxes, pay yourself marginally from your business, and keep the rest in house and write off everything else.
  • kazan
    352
    @DifferentiatingEgg,

    Thanks for that. Comprehensive savings on taxes. Understand now, (from an outsider's pov) another reason why signing up in the military is so attractive to US youth.

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