Is it because this movie was legitimately bad? Is that what opened the door to this? Or what? — frank

I’m not familiar with the controversy around Snow White, but your post reminds me of the recent hooha about using a black actress to play the Little Mermaid. Donald Trump has helped promote a golden age of allowing people to bring their hatred for black people and other minorities out into the open.

It turns out people aren't too impressed by having political agendas jammed down their throat. Who knew?

One YouTube summation said that Family Guy and South Park have both expressed their condemnation of Disney's pandering. If The Simpsons does as well, it will be the final satirical dump. Disney will have lost credibility because of the standing of the Simpsons.

In the meantime, it appears Disney has lost somewhere around $800 million. The high figure is partly due to Disney's decision to animate the dwarves instead of using real dwarves. The loss is due to a global rejection of the movie. It's apparently boring and twisted.

Then it became a South Park episode where Cartman is being persecuted by dreams in which all of his loved ones have been replaced by diversity compatible women in a place called Pander-verse. — frank

Wasn't this before Zegler? This was more against woke Lucasfilm and Kathleen Kennedy and the "Force being Female" stuff? Yeah, same corporation, but anyway.



But now we live in Trump world where photos of the B-29 bomber that dropped the first nuclear bomb is deleted from Pentagon sites as it's name is "Enola Gay". Hence when the US administration goes after universities and other institutions because of DEI policies, laughing at woke Hollywood has lost it's flare in my view. It isn't anymore about criticizing the hypocritical elite establishments like Hollywood in the way they bow to all things woke, but being anti-woke has become part of the official policy. There's nothing fresh to this anymore.

And anyway, I think Hollywood corporations finally have learnt their lesson. But making movies is a slow process, Snow White was just the disaster waiting to happen and Disney knew it. So the corporation put it out because they did have a finished film and tried to minimizes the whole issue. Now it seems that the woke-era in Hollywood is over. Or if it's not over, then it's saved by Trump just like the liberal party was in Canada.

Why were these woke films so bad? Well, the wokeness wasn't only limited to the storyline, but starting from the director and the people writing the stuff was made with woke choices. So you had to have female directors, female writers and representation all along. And in the end you got movies and series where basically the people making the whole thing weren't at all in their ballpark.

Above all, what is learnt is that you don't take the expectations of the movie goers away BEFORE you show it. This saved Barbie from failure as Universal Pictures likely silenced people around the movie and thus audiences (and critics) only after paying the tickets and seeing the movie got director Greta Gehrwig's feminist plot. Yet if Margot Robbie would have gone around telling how feminist the movie is and how in the end Barbie turns down Ken because Barbie doesn't need Ken or men in the end, then I guess you would have gotten a Zegler-like response and Margot Robbie's career would be down the drains. Now we just can admire how good Robbie is portraying female villains.

Why were these woke films so bad? Well, the wokeness wasn't only limited to the storyline, but starting from the director and the people writing the stuff was made with woke choices. So you had to have female directors, female writers and representation all along. And in the end you got movies and series where basically the people making the whole thing weren't at all in their ballpark. — ssu

Hollywood has gone to crap.

Is it because this movie was legitimately bad? Is that what opened the door to this? Or what? — frank

It is because, these days, when anyone with a social media account sees a teapot, they feel compelled to make a tempest in it. There was a time when bad movies simply failed at the box office and were relegated to late-night television or VHS. Now, everything has to be political and everything - yet another version of Snow White, ffs?? How could anyone with a life possibly care? - has to be controversial and everything trivial has to be publicly discussed ad nauseum.

Hollywood has gone to crap.

Hollywood went to crap 30, or 40 years ago. This is just the icing on the cake.

Hollywood went to crap 30, or 40 years ago. This is just the icing on the cake. — Punshhh

A crap cake?

And anyway, I think Hollywood corporations finally have learnt their lesson. But making movies is a slow process, Snow White was just the disaster waiting to happen and Disney knew it. So the corporation put it out because they did have a finished film and tried to minimizes the whole issue. Now it seems that the woke-era in Hollywood is over. Or if it's not over, then it's saved by Trump just like the liberal party was in Canada. — ssu

Which ironically would probably be the last thing that the anti-woke movement would want, given how much they've been profiting off complaining about Hollywood. At that point we'll probably see them overreach like the feminists did a decade ago until the cultural pendulum swings away from them. We've already seen some instances of that happening as the right starts to engage in cancel culture boycotts of companies they don't like.

I think the basic reason was simply that after the Harvey Weinstein sex scandal, Hollywood executives simply went on to walking on eggshells, because let's face it, Harvey Weinstein had been one of the most successful movie moguls of our time. Hence any public media coverage or accusations of some corporation executives being bigoted or sexist was something that these people truly feared. How many billions you have made for the stock owners would not help you if you are accused being sexist or of using the "N"-word. And this created the opportunity for the "woke" to influence movies so much.

Hence when the media noticed that Disney's Marvel Cinematic Universe didn't have much women in lead roles, the head of this Disney enterprise Kevin Feige responded by promising in 2018 more female superhero movies. This indeed happened and thus the MCU made bad and lackluster movies: usually because the storylines were bad, yet many times the directors were women who hadn't directed superhero-movies. End result was not so inspiring action movies. For example, The Marvels director Nia DeCosta had directed only two long films before the Marvels -movie. But she was black and a woman and the film had an all women lead. Now MCU is totally capable of making bad films that aren't at all woke, but needless to say that now Disney hasn't had true blockbusters for a while. That the wokeism is over can be seen from the Deadpool & Wolverine movie MCU did last year. Yet it is telling that there are only a few directors in Hollywood, that give us good movies again and again.

DaCosta directing the Marvels during the pandemic:

At that point we'll probably see them overreach like the feminists did a decade ago until the cultural pendulum swings away from them. — Mr Bee

Discourse especially in Hollywood always goes too far to excess as the pendulum swings, as you said. To similar levels of silliness, I guess.