And is that supposed to make my argument unsound? — TheMadFool
It does, assuming you mean the argument that God can't be indescribable — BlueBanana
Could you give me a brief description of the perfect button? — John Gould
Could you give me a brief description of the perfect button? — John Gould
You are presuming that the essential nature of a button MUST be defined in utilitarian terms. What if my friend Mr X insists that the essence of a button is fundamentally a question of aesthetics (beauty). The onus is now on you to prove that Mr X is mistaken and that his thesis that the perfect button is the most beautiful button is false.
The ball is now in your court. Please present your objection/s. — John Gould
According to Anselm ontological argument we can possess an idea of God as THE perfect being, now a button is a much humbler thing than God so surely you should have no difficulty providing me with a brief descriptive account of the nature of THE perfect button as it is in itself? — John Gould
But there are lots and lots of buttons that do their job properly ! Iam only interested in nature of THE perfect button and apart from doing its job properly what physical properties ( for example) it possesses in terms of, say its size, shape, colour, mass, density,what substance it is made from( wood , metal, plastic?), how many thread holes it would possess, or is it the case that the perfect button is one that is not sewn onto a shirt or trousers with cotton, etc?) and so on? — John Gould
I am sorry to disappoint you but the answer is an emphatic "No, I cannot !". — John Gould
forever hidden from, humanity. — John Gould
Please tell me roughly what its value is in US currency as I am interested in purchasing it and would like to know if I can afford to buy it. — John Gould
You will find Nothing — Vajk
However, we may have our own conception of perfection, in a relative sense. — TheMadFool
You will find it out When you get there. — Vajk
So you admit them the idea of your god being perfect is only relative to your own conception of perfection? — Sir2u
It sounds that way. But we can come to some agreement on what perfection entails e.g. omnibenevolence, omnipotence and omniscience aren't controversial. — TheMadFool
But while there is no direct path from man to God, there IS a path from God to man... — John Gould
God, in graciously condescending to save a fallen and lost humanity through revelation of Himself is truly "Sir2u". — JohnGould
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