Well, it's culturally dependent — Baden
However, if a trans man wishes to use the female restroom they would be allowed as they are female. — Malcolm Parry
However, there are issues. — Malcolm Parry
It's not logically consistent to base a policy of disbarring people from women's spaces on women being disturbed by the physical presence of men and then base entry to those spaces not on physical characteristics defining such presence but ultimately on something that can be entirely unseen like chromosomes. — Baden
Have you details of a person who is both male and female? — Malcolm Parry
But they are either male or female. They aren’t both. — Malcolm Parry
So you're saying it's a human right, not yet a civil right. — frank
I get you in terms of the U.S., but I'm trying to work out on what one could consistently base an objection when biological sex and gender have no necessary connection because they are based on different categories of reality and gender is technologically mutable — Baden
Does it mean that objectors want anyone regardless of their biological sex to get arrested if they look too masculine? That, as I said, is inconsistent with wanting to protect biological women from encroaches on their space by biological men because it discriminates on a level, the physical, that now has no necessary connection to the biological in practice and so the objection could be applied to biological women as well as biological men. — Baden
Given that some human has ovotesticular syndrome caused by 46,XX/46,XY chimerism, what is the biological feature that either makes them a male or makes them a female? Of particular relevance are those with bilateral ovotestis and/or streak gonads, as well as ambiguous genitalia. — Michael
To be proactive about the attention paid to it, provide resources on all age levels or demographics to bring awareness to it, and crack down on societal stereotyping or cultural narratives which breed what feminists call a 'rape culture'.What do you want society to do about it? If you have answers i’m in full support. — Malcolm Parry
Well. . . you know what's weird. Feminists are not unaware of the seemingly contradictory manner in which they both advocate for better representation. . . while also attempting to subdue and remove gender stereotypes.Never understood where the leap came for gender to describe societal differences between the sexes to people wanting society to validate their right to pick a gender. Very dismissive of women and their status in society. Women fought long and hard to get the rights and respect they now have. — Malcolm Parry
There are two sides to this. . . social expectations. . . and personal gender expression.A social construct is a concept, idea, or category that is created and maintained by a society or group through shared beliefs and practices, rather than being inherent or naturally occurring. A social construct as something created and maintained by society would be the antithesis of a personal feeling. To change gender, we would have to change society, not an individual's body parts or clothing. — Harry Hindu
Same with varieties of other clothing, physical effects, and even biological changes as minor as pierced ears to plastic surgery.The social construct was created as a means of distinguishing between the sexes in a society that covers their bodies with clothing. Clothing evolved as a way of flaunting one's sex and resources, the same way peacocks use their tails. So wearing a dress does not make one a woman. It is meant to display the fact that one is already a woman and the dress is means of representing that fact when the dress covers up the fact. — Harry Hindu
Thanks for the comprehensive reply. Any actions that prevent anti social, coercive and violent behaviour are to be welcomed and encouraged. However, we have to deal with society we live in and its cultural norms. These norms can change dramatically very swiftly. 20th century was such a time.So it seems the discussion here also concerns among the rape issue. . . gender neutrality, equality, and equity. Your opinions on the matter only seem to support the notion that we are inherently not ready as a society for gender neutrality even though we are moving in that direction. — substantivalism
They believe they are man when they are a woman. That is the delusion.It's not clear to me what delusion you believe they have. We've already established that trans men don't believe that they were born with a penis or XY chromosomes, so it can't be that.
And neither the DSM nor the ICD classify gender dysphoria/incongruence as a type of psychosis, and unless you're a qualified psychiatrist you're in no position to question the professionals – or at the very least I have no good reason to believe you over them. — Michael
I'd be willing to bet a year's salary that if men started advocating for shared public bathrooms 30-40 years ago, before all this trans-gender ideology started, the left would be screaming and yelling about protecting women's rights and safe spaces.Never understood where the leap came for gender to describe societal differences between the sexes to people wanting society to validate their right to pick a gender. Very dismissive of women and their status in society. Women fought long and hard to get the rights and respect they now have. — Malcolm Parry
You don't know shit about what I think because you don't actually read my posts. I already told you that I have talked about long-term solutions for society in other recent political threads on this forum and then provided an immediate solution, which you ignored, so stop trying to link my name to shit I haven't said or implied.Harry Hindu celebrates this. . . and then he adds nothing to replace it or advocate for an improvement of it's material. Perhaps I'm wrong but he hasn't been rather vocal on this topic matter and seems to just burn all bridges thinking its better we just swim. — substantivalism
They believe they are man when they are a woman. That is the delusion. — Harry Hindu
Pleading to authority is a logical fallacy. — Harry Hindu
Psychiatrists do not classify gender incongruence as a psychosis. Unless you have studied psychiatry you are not qualified to have an informed opinion. — Michael
Gender is not only about organs, but also about how you express and present yourself to others. — Wolfy48
I do believe that Gender Identity and what you are assigned at birth are not the same thing — Wolfy48
so they dress and act in a way that they see as more feminine — Wolfy48
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