, Gender is based on how an individual interprets gender, — Wolfy48
Basically I'm a guy who likes to be a little girly at times — Wolfy48
And I identify with the gender of femboy, therefore giving me my Gender Identity. — Wolfy48
But I'd argue that there is a difference between the sex you are born as and the gender you identify as. — Wolfy48
You don't know shit about what I think because you don't actually read my posts. I already told you that I have talked about long-term solutions for society in other recent political threads on this forum and then provided an immediate solution, which you ignored, so stop trying to link my name to shit I haven't said or implied. — Harry Hindu
Here you seem to misunderstand that you can have a coarse biological classification scheme and yet still not use that for legal or public policy. It's a coarse concept and not a fine-grained concept so it doesn't really allow us to pin point precisely on the characteristics people actually find notable, attractive, socially successful, etc. It's not meant to is the point as its a general concept that doesn't capture that fine detail and if it did it only did so by casting the widest possible net to get a statistically significant ensemble.Why do we need a legal ruling when science resolved that question long ago? Does science now require legal rulings to prove or disprove a scientific theory?
It wasn't to long before your expressed position that many on this forum threatened banning people for even questioning the idea. I felt I was walking on egg shells when I started this thread around the same time:
https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/5097/is-gender-a-social-construct/p1 — Harry Hindu
If you view gender as the same thing as Sex Assigned At Birth, then sure, the two are the same. — Wolfy48
It is nonsense to discuss and figure out how male and female overlap, without discussing and figuring out how male and female cannot overlap first. — Fire Ologist
The argument roughly goes that the trans woman appears as a man to attendees and is thus unsafe. Which isn't really an argument, but I'm not going to convince you of that. — fdrake
misleading — fdrake
one or more acts of physical aggression
Notice that this doesn't imply anything about whether trans women should be able to attend domestic abuse support groups... — fdrake
But I'd argue that there is a difference between the sex you are born as and the gender you identify as — Wolfy48
I imagine your only argument here would be to say that poker or chess are not 'sports'? Or are you in favour of men only poker and women only poker? — I like sushi
suggestion that the terms "biological male" and "biological female" each describe some unambiguous and mutually exclusive biological property that every human has shows a misunderstanding of both biology and language — Michael
I guess you are too young to have experienced the rigidity of gender norms that used to prevail. — unenlightened
as if visual contact were dangerous. — unenlightened
If we want everyone to know our sex, why hide the parts that distinguish it most clearly? — unenlightened
Atrans-womanchild abuser is likely to be murdered in a men's medium security prison — frank
Take true hermaphroditism — Michael
this suggests that the condition is the result of constitutive activation of a gene normally triggered by SRY.
Perceived risk isn't real risk. — fdrake
and I showed you a meta analysis which refutes the claim. — fdrake
The law and public policy demand no vagueness. Start writing and start defending. — substantivalism
That way nature can take its proper course. — substantivalism
It's in being proactive and preventative that the true difficulty lies. That is where true societal growth can be had. — substantivalism
I suppose that depends on how you interpret gender ;D — Wolfy48
46,XX/46,XY is either a chimeric or mosaic genetic condition characterized by the presence of some cells that express a 46,XX karyotype and some cells that express a 46,XY karyotype in a single human being. Individuals with these conditions are classified as intersex.
And let's consider some hypothetical 46,XX/46,XY person with an equal number of XX cells and XY cells, ambiguous genitalia, and either bilateral oviotestis or streak gonads. Are they male or female? — Michael
Wrong. You continue to purposely misunderstand what I have written. If legal or public policy is not based in reality, then what use is it? Do you make this same case for all scientific conclusions, like on the environment? Do you not use scientific data to support the idea that the environment is changing? Hypocrisy is your brain on politics.Here you seem to misunderstand that you can have a coarse biological classification scheme and yet still not use that for legal or public policy. — substantivalism
When did I ever imply such a thing. Notice you had to quote this yourself and did not quote me as saying this. Straw-man.Most of your replies felt like a critique of any form of anti-realism. "If it's socially constructed then it can be undone, anything can go, and it makes following it pointless because there is no grounding. How can you say what you say because according to you I can invent whatever I want in a contrary fashion." — substantivalism
Well, I have been asking what a transgender person means when they say they are a "man" or "woman". I am trying to clarify what they mean by asking questions about what they actually mean - something you have been averse to yet is required to solve your problem. I have already laid out the inconsistencies of their definitions of gender as a social construct, feelings, sexist tropes, etc., I have been waiting on you to clarify since you claim to understand them but you'd rather make arguments without any clear definitions of what it is you are actually talking about.You appear to be equivocating.
Here are two plausible interpretations of your claim:
1. They believe they are biologically male when they are biologically female. That is the delusion.
2. They believe they are non-biologically male when they are biologically female. That is the delusion.
If you mean (1) then your claim is false because they do not believe that they are biologically male.
If you mean (2) then your conclusion is a non sequitur. — Michael
It is if that is your only argument and the argument does not address all the other issues I showed with it that you did not reply to (more cherry-picking).It's not a logical fallacy to defer to what mathematicians say about mathematics, to what physicists say about physics, or to what psychiatrists say about psychiatry.
Psychiatrists do not classify gender incongruence as a psychosis. Unless you have studied psychiatry you are not qualified to have an informed opinion. — Michael
Exactly. We need non-contradictory definitions for once - the lack of which is evidence that those that accept what trans-people are claiming simply don't understand what they are claiming. We also need to understand that being a man or woman also being a human and we need to distinguish between what are actual male and female traits and which are just part of the wide range of human behaviors and actually have nothing to do with one's sex. This is what it means to be sexist - to confuse human attributes with sexual attributes - as if wearing a dress (both men and women can wear dresses - there is nothing about them physically that would prevent both from wearing a dress) is what defines you as being a woman as opposed to having a vagina.It is nonsense to discuss and figure out how male and female overlap, without discussing and figuring out how male and female cannot overlap first. — Fire Ologist
I suppose the rational counterargument would be: ridiculously rare genetic abnormalities aside, how does that change a thing? — Outlander
Appealing to authority IS a logical fallacy. You need to reconcile what you just said with this simple fact. — Harry Hindu
An argument from authority is a form of argument in which the opinion of an authority figure (or figures) who lacks relevant expertise is used as evidence to support an argument.
What is the appeal to authority fallacy?
The appeal to authority fallacy is the logical fallacy of saying a claim is true simply because an authority figure made it. This authority figure could be anyone: an instructor, a politician, a well-known academic, an author, or even an individual with experience related to the claim’s subject. — Grammarly
Description: Insisting that a claim is true simply because a valid authority or expert on the issue said it was true, without any other supporting evidence offered. — Logically Fallacious
Argument from Authority
You might be tempted to cite someone with more knowledge than you to support your opinion. For instance, "Dan's been in college for three years, and he says it's not what it's cracked up to be." You might use this as evidence that college isn't fun, but you would be committing an argument from authority. Instead of citing evidence for your opinion, you cite someone with more authority who shares that opinion. — Vaia
I argued the bold type - which you side-stepped.Appeal to Authority
You appeal to authority if you back up your reasoning by saying that it is supported by what some authority says on the subject. Most reasoning of this kind is not fallacious, and much of our knowledge properly comes from listening to authorities. However, appealing to authority as a reason to believe something is fallacious whenever the authority appealed to is not really an authority in this particular subject, when the authority cannot be trusted to tell the truth, when authorities disagree on this subject (except for the occasional lone wolf), when the reasoner misquotes the authority, and so forth. Although spotting a fallacious appeal to authority often requires some background knowledge about the subject matter and the who is claimed to be the authority, in brief it can be said we are reasoning fallacious if we accept the words of a supposed authority when we should be suspicious of the authority’s words. — Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy
Most reasoning of this kind is not fallacious, and much of our knowledge properly comes from listening to authorities.
Cherry-picking. The part you quoted does not take into account the rest of what was said. You need to take the quote as a whole.I see no good reason to disbelieve the DSM and ICD in favour of your bare assertion that gender incongruence is a psychosis. — Michael
A review of the current literature demonstrates comorbidity between gender dysphoria and psychosis, including cases of gender dysphoria with schizophrenia and the occurrence of gender dysphoria symptoms during manic or psychotic episodes. The existing literature has yet to specifically examine gender dysphoria amongst individuals with schizoaffective disorder. — National Library of Medicine
rather than some psychiatrist just says so — Harry Hindu
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